Second this, ask the kids.

Lol I’ve seen complaints both from people saying that you shouldn’t post paywalled articles, and from people saying they’d rather use their own method to get around paywalls

I guess time will tell. Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism

Um what?

Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party. They’re still running the party as they have been for the past few decades. Maybe accept that and stop supporting the party.

Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?

Now go on the road and think that about every single driver out there

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Would it be wrong to have the turtle in that spot? And replace where turtle is now with tortoise. More importantly there’s another missing spot, no slime, no legs, and 1 house. What goes there?

All those comments "don’t dead open inside"ing would probably be there anyway, but it is a little bit of a fuck up to put the words like that. That’s not how books work.

True, no good reason for that

Definitely should’ve added that to my nuance. He and I are definitely not using the same definition of liberal.

Liberals already ruined this country

Is he wrong though?

Yeah I have heard many many first hand anecdotes of people needing to schedule appointments months in advance

instead of trying to cover the world with leather, one should wear leather shoes

I don’t think I’ve heard that phrase before but I like it

Your verbose tear down of my use of “ability” seemed like an attack on the concept itself, especially when you combined it with attacking the concept itself. That’s also not where you started.

I do think money is the problem. Maybe love of money is more pressing at this time, but if we don’t keep the goal of eliminating money in mind, I don’t think we’ll get anywhere substantially different from where we’re at. But I’m willing to agree to disagree on that point for the time being.

I did not flood the dialog, I made no call to action, and I would’ve preferred critical analysis of the problems of money over talking about tense. If you want to have debates instead of arguments, I suggest examining your approach.

That’s a big stretch for a fucking tense. And when correcting is necessary, it should be done in such a way that actually strengthens the foundation of the point, assuming you agree with the goal. Otherwise what you’re trying to build will never come to fruition.

And above all jump down the throat of anyone who doesn’t enunciate a point perfectly, it should be our goal to discourage engagement as much as possible /s

I find it extremely ironic that someone who seems to have such strong opinions on communication is so bad at. You bring up not awful and not unheard of points about using conservative language to draw people to the left. That could’ve been a much more productive discussion.

The biggest reason I never told you what my plan was is because you never asked for it. The initial point I was making was about how money is bad and we don’t need it. Then you attacked my phrasing. You could’ve even briefly corrected my phrasing and then gone on to talk or ask about what the path to get there is. Instead you ranted about what tense I was using and how other economic systems don’t work.

The way you’ve communicated with me makes it seem like your goal is alienating people.

If you’re asking what I think the best way forward is, please just ask that from the beginning. My answer might’ve been that I’ve been working with the PSL and think they have a pretty good idea of a socialist America. Instead we’re bickering over the definition of “ability”.

Otherwise, you’re just arguing for the status quo that everyone hates.

We have to agree “money bad” before making a plan to move beyond it.

My talking about about the Incas and different non-monetary systems isn’t me trying to make a plan, it’s trying to show the possibility of the concept.

We’re never going to pull off a revolution without numbers. And only giving air to the “practical detail oriented” people while name calling the rest is a great way to make sure you never get those numbers.

And yes, there is a plan that I did mention, socialism. But that’s not how you phrased your initial engagement with my comment.

You are well beyond “most basic”, and also I disagree. Over-attention to detail is a very easy way to make nothing happen at all, which is currently killing people. I’m not the person who’s going to map out a detailed plan to get to that society, nor do I think an internet comment section is the place to do that. Especially when what we’re talking about is global revolution which absolutely necessitates broad engagement with many many people who don’t know all the details and really don’t need to. This is a very appropriate context to be talking in broad strokes. And if you want to wait for some perfect plan with every detail in exactly the right place, you’ll be waiting until the heat death of the universe.