Would the economy collapse or thrive? Would there be countries happy to accept the deportees? How would they even deport so many people?

Curious about your thoughts on the hypothetical.

  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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    Immediate collapse. No one would take the deportees long term. There would be a huge swell in support for the deported people, but very rapidly other countries would shut their borders. The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.

    I’m not so sure this question is hypothetical anymore.

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      The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.

      Well it’s not the only way. You could also militarily invade a neighbouring country, then forcibly deport people there, perhaps by train, perhaps to some sort of camps

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    collapse. straight out. Your talking about removing almost half the population at least and then you have what the bar to white is. Palestinian? Israeli? greek? italian? ukrainian? russian? etc, etc… there have been many opinions on what is white enough right down to the aryan stuff. Then of course there is the final throwing away of any compliance with treatise.

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      Realistically, if this were to happen, current US government would use the scale from Family Guy

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    29 days ago

    Any country that loses ~40+% of is population all at once is going to have a lot of major issues. Even more so when that population is concentrated in specific industries.

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    It would be literally impossible to pull off.

    Trying to deport nearly half the population of the US would require it to be voluntary, and that isn’t going to happen. The sectors that would enforce it already include a lot of non-whites who are complicit because they personally are not being deported. People, especially the non-whites whose families have been in the US from before the US acquired their land from Mexico, would absolutely resist. The non-white population is oppressed, sure, but not to the extent of non-white populations in other colonial locations where a few whites are able to enforce racist laws through violence.

    If attempted at the federal level it would implode immediately as multiple states would violently resist due to scale.

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    The US food, healthcare, delivery, cleaning, packaging, etc sectors rely very heavily on non whites. Civil war over basic resource distribution would break out in days. Millions would die, assuming it happens magically within a day or so.

    But realistically civil war would break out because people would just refuse to leave. 40% of the US population is non-white, there is no way you are getting 130 million people to just leave the country peacefully. It would be the largest undertaking of any kind in human history and its completely impossible unless you stretch it over decades.

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      But realistically civil war would break out because people would just refuse to leave. 40% of the US population is non-white, there is no way you are getting 130 million people to just leave the country peacefully.

      Especially not when at least some of the white population would be on their side against those in favour of deportation. There’d be massive non compliance.

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      the sciences also depend on NON-WHITES, plus programming is predominately whites and asians. white people are often in RURAL areas, and heavily depend on immigrant labor to sustain thier in the dump states.

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    Truth is, if you’re not descended from the original colonists, every African American has lineage in the US farther back.

    “White” in America is actually a moving goalpost that has been moving since literally the founding of the colonies. “Whites” at the founding of America were Anglo Saxons literally defined as being “English”, who are descended from Germans who subjugated the natives of the British isles (NOT THE IRISH, NOR THE SCOTS). “Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category, followed by fair skinned East Asians. Based on the American definition of white, I, darker than some light skinned African Americans, am white. Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.

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      It’s going to be fun seeing the administration trying to come up with a legal definition of white and hearing the outcry of MAGAists who suddenly discover they aren’t “white”.

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      Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.

      🤣🤣🤣

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      “Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category

      Funny story. Before the 1980s, Hispanic people were considered white. (Modern people praise I Love Lucy for including an “interracial” marriage, but people in the 1950s just saw a white couple). But since Hispanic people in America tend to be a bit culturally distinct from the ruling class, other white people wanted to be racist against them, and so the meme arose and spread that people of Spanish and Portuguese descent are a race distinct from all other people of European descent.

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    The funniest thing about your question is defining ‘non-whites.’

    Back in the day, any Black ancestor made a person Black; that was so slave owners could sell their children by slave mothers. Thomas Jefferson had a slave wife/concubine/rape victim named Sally Hemmings. She was likely his legal wife’s half sister. Sally’s granddaughter was 1/8th of less African, but it was considered a scandal when she ran off and passed as White.

    The longer any family has been in America, the more likely it is that they are ‘non-white.’

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      Given the simplistic way the current administration thinks, it wouldn’t surprise me if a visual color-test / race card were implemented.

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    Economic meltdown, most of the population has no one that would take them so they will end up either in camps in failed/failing countries or inside the US itself.

    Also getting the white population to agree to do it would be a big lift. The majority would passively oppose and a minority would go full on underground railroad/insurgency.

    Only a minority would be totally on board.

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      Only a minority would be totally on board.

      If by minority you mean <50%, then yes. But given how many people voted for Trump, the percentage could be substantially higher than 20%.

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        Not every trump voter is 100% in board with his policies.

        A shocking amount of people are just floating through life on Vibes. They don’t know why they do things, it just feels like they should. This applies right up to the ballot box.

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            29 days ago

            Sure they can, until their cousins, spouses, and neighbors start disappearing, their coworkers, employees, and representatives.

            My city has plenty of racists, but even a casual racist might think twice when more than half the city is being deported.