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  • guyincognito@piefed.social
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    10 days ago

    The problems with Americans that say this is that this sentence is the limit to the extent they’re willing to fight for their freedom. You’re not absolved of the responsibility for your government. Regardless of how much you hate them, they represent you. The government’s actions are yours.

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      10 days ago

      Partly agree. I would criticize liberals that believe the lie of “voting is the only thing that matters”. They will happily spend the next 4 years saying shit like this because they won’t actually be hurt by fascist policy directly. They can make comments like this and move on with their day.

      That would require them to be a part of a minority group being targeted OR be working with activist groups that are helping to protect the targets of ICE.

      I’m a white male. I could ride this shit out until the USSR flies their flag over Berlin. But I’m not doing that. (And I was already on a list long before Trump rode the escalator anyway).

      But if someone that is a targeted group and/or is actively resisting Fascism says this. Well, it’s probably just them letting off some steam. But, you’re right. I do find this is just liberals saying “America deserves this” as an excuse to not do anything that doesn’t personally hurt them directly.

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          A lot of liberals will just go along and continue about their normal lives until it’s too late. They aren’t our allies.

          The ones that are willing to get out there and do stuff are.

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          They are potentially allies. But they are also just as likely to be the ones left when “there was no one left to speak out for me”.

          That’s literally the point of that famous poem. It’s about watching and doing nothing as Fascism targets each group they don’t belong.

          It doesn’t start with “first they came for the Liberals” it starts with “first they came for the communist”.

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              2 days ago

              Talking about allies vs. people that will do nothing and watch as their neighbors are taken is not “ideological purity”. It’s just reality.

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    10 days ago

    Pretty sure he said implied fuck.

    Also, there is an anonymous person who did an interview and claims to have been a victim in Epstein’s island and that Trump raped them specifically because they were similar to his daughter.

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      Not to give the turd any credit, only correcting because accuracy is important. “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” Speaking in reference to her physical appearance. Fucking was very clearly implied but implied nonetheless.

      The energy is the same either way. Nasty shit.

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      9 days ago

      That’s not how any of this works. In many states in the USA, your votes for President are for entertainment purposes only; with our electoral college you can actually lose the popular vote and still win the election.

      More and more people are leaving the major parties every day, voters are 40% independent with Ds and Rs at 30% each. I predict that the major parties will continue to lose voters every year, and anti-incumbent voters will increase.

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        9 days ago

        That’s exactly how it works in a 2 party system. Voting for a 3rd party is throwing away your vote, no matter how you try to spin it.

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    10 days ago

    If Trump was on the Epstein files in a way that they could have used to prosecute him, the Democrats would have released the files related to Trump and redacted anything else.

    The Democrats spent 8 years digging through Trump’s life looking for anything they could have prosecuted him for but somehow overlooked the Epstein files?

    I don’t think so.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      It’s not just Trump in the Trumpstein files. There is international pressure to keep a lid on this (UK royal family and Israel, who knows who else is involved). There are thousands of deposits of over a billion dollars to Epstein, Trump is one of many.

      The most powerful and concerned about these records are unlikely to even be public figures, we’re talking real money and not the political circus clown show.

      Also, much of it was sealed for years (and much more remains sealed)

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        And? They wouldn’t have to release everything. They could selectively release the files Trump was on, and redact anything not Trump related, then take him to trial.

        It would have been a slam dunk and considering the absurdly crooked and corrupt Engoron and Merchan trials, it’s obvious they actually had nothing on Trump.