When asked what Kamala’s opinion was about Trans people and protections, all she said is “they should follow the law”.
The fuck is that non answer
The problem, in my mind:
republicans/regressives (read nazis) actually get in line and vote for the R next to any name that they’ve heard in the last week (if not just because it has an R), which means that they actually get shit done (making things worse, but they all get behind it is my point).
On the other hand, democrats/leftists/progressives all sit here and fight one another because of reasons, some good, and some just a little silly in the grand scheme of things. This group doesn’t know how to effectively work together to slowly and surely get to the same end goal.
The differences here are why regressives are able to rat fuck an entire nation, collectively, because they don’t bicker with each other, their allies, about the smaller details.
The democrats/leftists/progressives are too busy trying to fight hundreds of different problems/battles that would all be solved (eventually, mind you, not right away like we wish it would be) by banding together and keeping the movement momentum going AFTER winning the election.
For an example, gaza and trans rights issues. Both VERY valid issues, and they should be discussed. What happened was those same groups focused way too much on the smaller details instead of the big picture. What SHOULD have happened was we voice our concerns on the issues, vote for the person (at this time, Harris) who had the highest chance of those issues being solved, and then keeping the fire going by continuing to press these concerns to THAT administration.
Look at it this way, even though it is too late: if Kamala had won, you’d be able to sit there and protest any actions that weren’t being made towards your/your groups issues, and if we could all get on the same god damned page, you would have more allies who are more at ease with the current admin who could protest with you, because things aren’t dire enough for them to focus on them and theirs (read fuck you, got mine). Under the orange buffoon, you can now get deported for protesting anything, let alone trans rights and gaza genocide. So, those allies you could’ve had are now being deported, killed, or arrested, and that makes others scared to protest with you.
TL;DR: Allowing the nazis to win because democrats/leftists/progressives can’t see the bigger picture, and choose to focus on their own issues only (or at the very least, make it their highest priority when we should know that’s not how it works, unfortunately) is the reason we have the orange shitler in office right now. This group is trying to fight 100 different battles, while regressives lock step and take away all the good we had achieved, instead of banding together and just doing the literal bare minimum (vote in the “neo-lib”). Full stop.
@PugJesus@lemmy.world is right, whether you like it or not.
As a trans person, you can suck my girl dick. I am not a cudgel to be used by shitty libs to sheepdog votes for their nonexistent policy.
Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn’t doing anything to preserve them.
Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn’t doing anything to preserve them.
… would you like to outline where trans rights were in 2024 in comparison to where they were in 1990, and also inform me which parties were in power in the intervening years?
Dems being insufficient and Dems being backsliders are two entirely different concepts. Dems are absolutely insufficiently supportive of trans rights. Dem politicians are also the primary vehicle through which trans rights have been encoded into law.
Saying “Dem politicians” are the reason trans rights were encoded into law strips trans people of our political agency. You’re effectively saying the quiet part out loud by denying us political agency, or even a role in our own political history.
Trans rights have been fought and won over decades, long before 1990, by trans people. Often outside of traditional political, not to mention medical, avenues. The Democratic Party, as an institution, only picked up on encoding those rights into law, when there was the pressure and inertia was such that it was beneficial to their coalition to do so.
In 2024, when that coalition was proven to have collapsed, in large part because of the additude you’re taking here, trans people were some of the first to be thrown under the bus and blamed.
I voted for Harris, am I allowed to be mad that the Democrats are still gung ho about Israeli genocide yet? Or do I need to shout blue no matter who for another few decades?
Not voting and voting for trump were both stupid choices. But attacking people who didn’t vote for trump instead of those who did is fucking bananas and I don’t get the point of this. Are we expecting a resounding vote in 2028 for Harris again is going to fix everything? Come the fuck on.
I voted for Harris, am I allowed to be mad that the Democrats are still gung ho about Israeli genocide yet?
Sure are.
Because you did the right thing to help your country, despite being upset about a single issue.
You are not part of the problem.
That feeling when Democrats are turning on trans people. Pretending the Democrats will save us as a Fool’s errand. Pretending that trans people wouldn’t be on the chopping block if the Democrats had federal office is naive.
Some Democrats, reeling from Republican attacks tying their party to transgender rights issues, are privately furious at their leaders and explicitly warning they need a better strategy going into 2026.
Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/13/democrats-moderates-transgender-issues-strategy-00189123
Pretending that trans people wouldn’t be on the chopping block if the Democrats had federal office is naive.
Yes, as we all know, the Federal government the past 30 years has become more hostile to trans folk every time those damn dirty Dems have been in office!
Utterly delusional.
Yes we all know that trans rights got stronger under Joe Biden and his administration was able to enshrine strong trans protections… Oh wait.
Those Democrats have done so much to help pull us into a new enlightened age and definitely haven’t let Republican policies stand every single time they got back into office.
Holy fucking shit, do you not remember what things were like in the 90s and 2000s?
What am I saying? Asking an ML to understand recent history? I might as well ask a dog to play the fucking guitar.
… this is awkward.
Speaking of recent history can you remind me what party was in charge from 2000 to 2008? You know when those rights were increasing in society?
Its fun to point out when people use fallacies like the ones you used here. A genetic fallacy and an ad hominem. It’s the sign of a weak orator. One who is unable to actually support their arguments.
Speaking of recent history can you remind me what party was in charge from 2000 to 2008? You know when those rights were increasing in society?
Someone is playing apologia for the Bush Adminstration’s position on trans rights?
Holy fucking shit. MLs really are just conservative bootlicks.
Its fun to point out when people use fallacies like the ones you used here. A genetic fallacy and an ad hominem. It’s the sign of a weak orator. One who is unable to actually support their arguments.
Did you not say that trans rights in LGBT rights were awful in the 1990s?
Is the Bush Administration later than the 1990s?
Did you like not think about this? That is a very shallow interpretation bordering on irresponsible.
I’m sorry did I respond to you or did you respond to me? Who wants to debate who?
Did you not say that trans rights in LGBT rights were awful in the 1990s?
Me:
Holy fucking shit, do you not remember what things were like in the 90s and 2000s?
I understand that reading two whole words is a bit of a strain for you, but I promise that reading entire sentences will help your comprehension.
I’m sorry did I respond to you or did you respond to me? Who wants to debate who?
Do you… do you not realize who the OP is?
Fuck’s sake.
Are we talking about the same Democratic Party who put forward Kamala “I believe we should follow the law” Harris as their only candidate for president?
How you people manage to convince yourselves that a Democratic Party win would achieve anything at all for trans rights, is beyond belief!
This isn’t complicated to anyone without brain damage.
Kamala: Prosecutor. Doctorate in law. No criminal record. Member of a party known for NOT targeting trans people and introducing bills to secure rights for them.
Trump: Felon. Rapist. Insurrectionist. Thief. Dumbfuck. Member of a party known for persecuting trans people.
Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.
Libs are still crying about their loss of power, still doing nothing to resist.
Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.
Average privileged ‘leftist’ Nazi supporter.
Ah, this Pug Jesus. Always angry at leftists showing they’re just Republican lite. Got it.
Still campaigning against the anti-fascist coalition in the hopes of speeding the fascists to victory, I see. I guess getting Trump into power wasn’t enough - you want to make sure that he stays there.
Yeah the Democrats caused Trump. Nice try buddy. When Dems win, “we don’t need the left!” and when they lose “It’s all the lefts fault!”
Keep trying
Dems need the left, and the left has no option but the Dems. Sorry that I’m not the centrist Pelosi-worshipper you want to paint me as. I’m just someone who prefers anti-fascism to fascism, unlike you.
Where have I said I’m fascist? Because I criticize Dems? A dog shit party that did nothing to stop Trump?
Where have I said I’m fascist?
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize self-identifying as a fascist was how one defined a fascist. I guess you don’t define most of the Republican party as fascists either - unsurprising considering your blasé attitude towards helping them into power. :)
Maybe it’s time to log off for a bit and get some fresh air?
Holy blame shifting, Batman!
You know how before the elections we say that it’s not the time to nitpick the Democratic Party because it’s more important to have it win so that the fascist won’t win?
Well, now we are not before elections, which means that now it is the time to nitpick the Democratic Party.
That’s what pisses me off about these tribalists coming out to parrot the post-defeat “it wasn’t our fault for not trying to be appealing, it was the fault of the plebes for not supporting us” DNC propaganda.
“Always blame the peasants, never the kings!”
It’s hilariously subservient and the avoidance of change inside the Democrat Party that this “let’s not criticize our leaders” aims to achive pretty much guarantees a similar result next time the Democrats face a Republican populist - Fascism - and that part is the very opposite of hilarious.
It’s also seriously hypocrite to cloak yourself in a “we want to protect trans people” cloak whilst fighting against the criticism of the Democrat Party that can change the very leaders whose choices and strategies resulted in the current situation where trans people are getting harmed: if they genuinelly wanted to protect trans people from harm, they would not spend their time trying divert criticism away from their holy cows.
Nitpicking ain’t the same as doing the work to get a more progressive candidate through primaries of a major party & onto the ballot.
Two different things, “nitpicking” and then, you know, voting (for Dems).
If the “online lefties” were so powerful a block perhaps Dem’s leadership should have courted their vote. If they were so minor a block that “online lefties” should be ignored then you’re targeting the wrong people.
But you know this already, I told you before the election that way to win the “no genocide” vote isn’t to try convince them to vote “yes genocide”. It’s to try convince the leaders to stop supporting genocide.
This post is the same punching down shit you were doing before the election.
You really think trans people are punching down at you for wanting to evade their own genocide?
You’ll find trans people in the post. What are THEY saying.
I don’t know how to get comment links, else I would do the work for you.
But to answer your question. I don’t think Pug is punching at me at all, I’m not American. I also don’t think trans people are punching at me much either, I’ve read their comments.
It appears you misunderstood my comment. Punching down was referring to people not in power to change the dem platform. Punchin up was referring to people in power to change the dem platform. Which way is Pug punching in this post?
True but it’s a minor point. Even if every single lefty held the line it wouldn’t have made a difference. The people who didn’t vote were mostly disengaged normal people and the blame for that is squarely on the Democrats for sucking absolute shit on purpose because of big money in politics.
Have some perspective, pick better fights with worse people. I personally find it extremely unmoving when the left chastises people over politics so good job emulating one of their worst and least politically effective qualities.
Instead, I humbly suggest you try to inspire a shred of hope among the cynical and apathetic - but deep down actually very cool people of the Earth🌠
True but it’s a minor point. Even if every single lefty held the line it wouldn’t have made a difference. The people who didn’t vote were mostly disengaged normal people and the blame for that is squarely on the Democrats for sucking absolute shit on purpose because of big money in politics.
As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, this is demonstrably not true on the Gaza issue ALONE.
But who needs facts and data when you have vibes to defend and assert as truth?
Have some perspective, pick better fights with worse people. I personally find it extremely unmoving when the left chastises people over politics so good job emulating one of their worst and least politically effective qualities.
I love the part where leftists peddling little Nazi enablement get asspats, but anyone criticizing them gets the fucking tone police weeping over their poor wittle hurt feelings.
not true on the Gaza issue ALONE.
There were two pro-palestine campaigns: The Uncommited movement and Abandon Harris. The Uncommited people ended up endorsing Kamala, while Abandon Harris endorsed Jill Stein - who only got 0.56 % of the vote. So not only would it make no fucking difference if every single Jill voter had gone for Kamala, but the rest of the movement ACTIVELY supported Harris. And this movement was not even the left - it included the left sure, but it was a broad coalition of various demographics - not JUST the left!
So show me the data - I am not going through your comment history looking for it.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
A YouGov poll backed by the Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) Policy Project and released on Wednesday showed that among the 19 million people who voted for President Joe Biden in 2020 but did not vote in 2024, nearly a third named Israel’s U.S.-backed war on Gaza as a top reason for staying home.
If that is true, then it sounds like the Dems should start catering to the left, instead of telling them to sit down and shut up.
Additionally, that poll says “…a top reason…”, not the only reason. Look at the other issues listed in the poll:
- The economy
- Medicare and Social Security
- Immigration and border security
- Healthcare
- Abortion policy
All things that the Democrats keep campaigning on, but doing practially nothing about.
Dude complaining about it isn’t helping. You aren’t entitled to anyone else’s vote. They can vote how they want. I don’t like it either but that’s how democracy works.
Focus your energy on something you can control
I would have voted left if I was physically allowed to.
But also you did have a candidate that came in last minute and was a republican-sympathizer.
Do you actually blame them?
Fucking hate this narrative. Go after republicans at least half as much as you go after leftists and we wouldn’t be here.
Do you actually blame them?
“Do you actually blame people for letting a Nazi come into power because the opposition candidate was shitty?”
Yes, and I’m tired of Nazi enablers playing asspat games to justify it.
The dems are literally rolling over for fascism. They are complicit.
Dems are at least as authoritarian as Repubs. It’s only not “fascism” because they’re suppodly left. I’m anti authoritarian and I’m dreading seeing how Dems build on Trump’s precedents. They’re just going to go even harder.
Tankies telling people to not vote is rolling over for fascism.
So everyone who tells people not to vote is a tankie? Real nuanced thinking you’re doing there. I’m happy you found a fun word to use as shorthand for “people I disagree with”, but maybe try to actually understand the people you’re throwing it at first, you tankie
You are miss-reading what I said. I am empathetic to socialists, but tankies are strategically abandoning elections and leaving us more vulnerable. This only helps the alt right; hence a rolling over for fascism.
This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?
Every movement has its radical fringe. Virtue signaling either your ideological purity or your solidarity with the only viable opposition are equally feeble attempts at clinging to a notion of victory in the face of total defeat.
EDIT: I wasn’t expecting this comment to generate discussion but since it did, let me elaborate on what I meant by “total defeat.” The defeat is not an electoral loss, it’s the fact that we have relinquished so much political power that all we have left is voting for one of a set of compromised politicians every few years. It’s a tired argument because it assumes that it’s possible to vote our way out of the mess we’re in, and it simply isn’t. We need to attack the point of production because it’s where the ruling class derives its power. And arguing about our sham elections is getting us nowhere.
This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?
Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds
see now this is doing the same room temp IQ shit as fugjesus
Not All Leftists: are anti-DNC purity non-voters
Not All Liberals: are the MLK “white moderate” type who will vote Republican if lefties are mean to them
Sure, that might be true of individuals but that phrase, or at least variants of it (ie. “The Social Democrats are The Left-Wing of Fascism”), have existed since the rise of the Nazis.
The idea being that liberal institutions will sooner do the work of fascism by punching left, rather than making common cause to fight fascism. And this meme isn’t helping that perception by punching left.
Phrases existing does not mean there is truth, just that there is an aspect that feels true, look at all the people that have adopted “hard men create good times” etc as a mantra.
I don’t think making hostile comments (saying all libs are fascists) is productive at all, and obviously individuals are not responsible for entire institutions, or even other people that share their principles but are also assholes.
This is a bad metaphor. I agree harm reduction helps, but Democrats are not owed a vote and the obsession with blaming what is apparently a small minority of voters or the sole reason Democrats lost depending what is convenient, is truly damning of liberals.
If libs put half the effort into courting leftists they do in blaming leftists perhaps they’d win. Instead a group of people who would by and left never vote for a dem anyway, didn’t vote for them.
This is the bed they made and now they want to blame everyone else for shitting their pants.
