• WanderWisley@lemmy.worldOP
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      10 days ago

      The last Jedi was so bad I wanted to leave the theater after the fight with Rey and the red troopers but I had my 10 year old niece with me and she was into it so I didn’t lol.

        • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          You do you, we’re all entitled to our opinions but super duper hard disagree there.

          On characters alone it shows up the originals, Jyn and Andor have much more nuanced reasons to be in the rebellion than than either Han or Leia which leads to stronger story arcs.

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            9 days ago

            I’ll give you an example of something that straight pissed me off as well as an explanation for how it happened.

            Cassian is introduced by straight up murdering an innocent informant. Clearly they were going for a “Han shot first” moment, but picking an innocent target is something the Empire would do, not a Rebel. So bad characterization from the jump.

            Roll forward, Cassian is assigned to assassinate a legitimate military target, the designer of the Death Star, but when he’s in position and sighted in, suddenly he’s all sweaty, conflicted, and OH - JUST - CAN - NOT - PULL - THE TRIGGER!

            To be clear, there’s no character development between the two scenes. In one, he’s a cold blooded murderer. In the other, a conflicted assassin unable to do his job.

            So why the difference?

            Well… Gareth Edwards, the original writer director, was fired from the job and replaced with Tony Gilroy who claimed his super power was he never liked Star Wars.

            Edwards burned time and money every day shooting footage off script that looked great, but had no purpose:

            https://www.polygon.com/2017/1/6/14195898/rogue-one-star-wars-trailer-jyn-erson/

            So Gilroy came in and found the film as it existed was an incomprehensible mess and had to write new material to try and salvage… something… out of it.

            https://collider.com/tony-gilroy-saved-star-wars-rogue-one/

            “I don’t like Star Wars—not that I don’t like it, but I’ve never been interested in Star Wars ever, so I had no reverence for it whatsoever, I was unafraid about that and they were in such a swamp… they were in so much, terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position.”

            So you get material like Cassian murdering an innocent person, or Vader force grabbing everyone and everything in the hallway EXCEPT the one thing he’s there to get (because the Death Star Plans have plot armor), or Vader watching the plans fly away with his own eyes, counter to the iconic opening of Star Wars.

            Rogue One is a disaster of a film, not even as a Star Wars film, it’s a disaster of a film in general.