I’m bad at internet sarcasm but it’s becoming apparent you’re joking lol

Have a nice day.

Do you have any further reason to believe that? Cause I’m not seeing any…

Trolling is only effective is no one can tell you’re trolling.

If the components aren’t soldered, then yes, it is. 🤦 My laptop is actually easier to repair than a framework is.

You’re evidently a moron, and completely misunderstood what I typed.

Fact.

Thats not what a fact is. its a fact that thats an oppinion; your troll is showing again. This is not worth my energy, have a nice day.

Yeah, I don’t really disagree. Though I do think it’s more upgradeable than if another company made the same sort of product, given you can upgrade the motherboard. But I have no real interest in it. It doesn’t feel like a lazy cash grab to me. But it does feel like they’re confused about who’s actually buying their devices and what those people want.

Though, who knows, maybe they’re selling great. What do I know. I’ll stick to the industry standard of socketed components in a standard case format rather than a new novel design that can’t be as upgradable.

The first other laptop with the same cpu to come up in a search is around the same price when specced similarly, and isn’t repairable.

Their lowest spec main board in a PC with base spec is $1099 for:

13.5" 2256x1504 60Hz Matte Display
16GB Memory
256GB Storage
Windows 11 Home
1-year limited warranty

That motherboard is 449. You’re talking out of your ass and either your troll is showing or you’re actually an idiot lol. Every motherboard sku is comparably affordable compared to the built laptops. And the built laptops are not unreasonably priced for their specs, given their quality and features (among which is upgradeability and repairability, something I’m willing to pay more for.)

It’s not a novelty to me that I can change my ports if I get into a creative hobby that benefits from having an SD card slot, or if all my peripherals move to type c, or if I get a setup where displayport is more valuable than my current hdmi (or I could literally have both if need be). Its certainly not a novelty to me that I can upgrade my cpu years down the line. And most thin and lights in the same product category have soldered components. The Dell thin and light, the xps 13, also has soldered RAM.

I really don’t care if you want one. I don’t like throwing things away, I like repairing them instead. I like mending my clothes. When I have a home and have appliances I will take joy in getting them fixed. I like keeping my old devices going for as long as possible. My last phone until upgrading a year ago was a pixel 3. My previous thinkpad was from 2013, and I only didn’t bother to get it fixed when it broke because it’s specs were no longer keeping up, even on Linux. I like not contributing to e-waste. Not having to replace my laptop outright is worth money to me because it saves me money and is consistent with my desire to take care of the things I own rather than getting rid of and replacing them.

That doesn’t matter to you and that’s fine. But to call it a scam because you personally don’t value its core value proposition is dumb. And you look silly for arguing as such while simultaneously saying “you haven’t proven me wrong”

Sick. Buy something else lol. It’s obviously not the right product for your needs, that’s fine. Why try to convince everyone that it’s somehow wrong for theirs too when they’re happy with it? Have a nice day.

I don’t expect this to change your mind (I also wouldn’t really want a framework desktop), but the framework desktop is fairly unique in terms of performance, which is why they stripped away some of the upgradability.

I want that upgradability more than unique performance, but to their credit they did try to make it work with socketed ram, but they couldn’t get it to work because in order to share RAM between the CPU and GPU in the way they wanted (I think, I haven’t looked at it super closely because I don’t want one and am not in the market for a desktop cause I’m broke and have a laptop), they needed ridiculously low latency and even the new upcoming socket design they played with to get it working wasn’t able to get the latency low enough, even with tweaks if I understand correctly.

I’ll stick to building a conventional system if I get around to building a desktop, but to my understanding the performance of the framework desktop is higher than it looks on paper because of its funky design that needed ultra low latency memory. Its a cool product, but I do think perhaps framework were not entirely the right people to sell it, as repairability and upgradability are a massive cornerstone of their brand.

Not the person you replied to but I looked at lenovo when I bought my framework. I grew up with thinkpads as my dad was an IBMer. This was my first non-thinkpad.

Thin and lights in the same category as the framework laptops absolutely do not have choice of all of those components to the same degree. Increasingly Ram is even partially sodered, leaving one sodimm for upgradability, and there certainly wasn’t an option to leave out components and bring off the shelf parts, making the entire market of socketed components available to you for configuration on a framework (something I was excited I could take advantage of, and that saved me a decent chunk of money as a broke person who needed a new laptop.). I don’t recall there being anywhere near as many keyboard layouts.

The thinkpax carbon x1 literally has all soldered RAM. Two keyboard layouts. An included network card with optional mobile broadband. One display with touch or one without. And it’s unclear if the ssd is socketed though I’d guess it is. But you have to buy it from them though and it’s ludicrously expensive.

And a new motherboard is very explicitly not as expensive as a new laptop, with the current top spec amd main board being $700 cheaper than the same laptop with base configuration. Its less than 50% of the price of the base spec.

You’re talking out of your ass. Maybe lenovo has some options in the same category with more socketed components, I’m not going to go digging for then for the purposes of this argument. Many people might be better served by those if they’re an option (though they’re almost guaranteedly much more expensive, as thinkpads in general are much more expensive for the specs you get), but if what you want is upgradeability and repairability, no, lenovo very explicitly doesn’t compare, I compared them as I was shopping. I loved my thinkpads. They treated me well. They weren’t what I was looking for though, and I’m very excited that I can now upgrade my cpu and/or RAM in 5-10 years when I need an upgrade. I could not do that with a thinkpad.

Edit: just checked the T and E series and although they have socketed ram they also don’t have the same breadth of options or upgradability. Lenovo still makes amazing laptops, and I’m sure either of those would serve people well (though the T series is not really a direct competitior to the main framework 13" line), but if you want what a framework offers, you would not be as happy with the thinkpads.

I saw that- I’m pretty sure that was just a meme they found off the internet. They even explicitly said they were in a different area, and their comments in that thread suggest they’re a 2a leftist, which is HIGHLY unlikely to go hand in hand with being a Mormon

The leap of logic from that map to them being a Mormon is… Large. They also clarified they were only talking about having one partner in this thread.

I really don’t think you had enough substantuation to suggest to others that they’re a Mormon, it seems very clear upon further looking that they aren’t…

Like actually or are you making a joke?

Super interesting, thank you for taking the time to teach me a bunch of things!

To my personal understanding from being amab (though I did transition at 16, but never went through voice training and these days am more masc aligned) and also my understanding from the video- yes men generally stop having voice cracks post puberty with rare exceptions like when intensely emotional or something, not because there isn’t still a sharp transition, but because they learn to control their newly changed vocal cords, developing an intuitive understanding of that transition and avoid it because it’s generally thought of as embarrassing for your voice to break.

Voice breaks are a puberty specific experience that is often thought of as a awkward and embarrassing transition into a new “adult” masculine voice

(Forgive me if I’m explaining the obvious or misunderstanding, I’m super tired and not entirely sure I’m reading your comment correctly at the part you seem to be asking about this. Regardless, I hope you have a lovely day :)

Yeah probably a polygroup. Some folks date in groups larger than two 🤷

Its more common among queer folks, and also kinky folks (who are also often queer)

This is just a fact I learned along the way, not so much personal experience, but I thought it was super interesting to learn that apparently one of the biggest differences between masc and femme voices isn’t just pitch but more constant variation in pitch.

Afab folks are typically less monotone and use pitch more excessively throughout their speech which I thought was really neat. Unrelatedly, I also heard Hank green explain the physiology of voice recently and how your voice can “break” or what the difference between your “head voice” and “chest voice” is, and the reason amab folks vary pitch less seems almost certainly (edit: I don’t actually know what the fuck I’m talking about, this is just me processing information together, I have no idea if it’s actually correct, take with an ocean of salt) a product of different vocal cord physiology after experiencing puberty (your vocal cords change in a way that makes it harder. Those same changes are what’s responsible for your voice breaking more often, as you struggle to control the now sharper difference between lower and higher pitches you can create. Where afab and prepuberty folks can more easily manage a smooth gradient in pitch), which is also really interesting!

If anyone wants a video on the vocal cords explanation stuff I can link to it, it was from hank’s “ask Hank anything” with Jacob Collier

That wasn’t as much my experience but I never really distinctly disliked the name I used before transitioning, it just wasn’t what I needed at the time

That being said, my relationship with gender has ended up being very messy, and I now go by a different spelling of the name I used as a kid, so whether I fit into the umbrella of “trans” is complicated

I don’t use jellyfin but these seems cool as fuck…

Something that can make the switch easier is that, like with OpenOffice, many alternatives can be used before you switch as they’re cross platform :)

So if you need a replacement for Photoshop, you can start learning it before you’re also simultaneously learning linux. Gimp has a modified version to make it more like Photoshop I know many folks like, that might be worth exploring

The other alternative would likely be krita, which is generally better regarded for its comparative competency as a project, but is more aimed at illustration than photo editing, so it may not be able to meet your needs

Discord works cross platform, I think most VPNs do too, but I could be mistaken

On the distro front, my votes go to mint and fedora. That gives you a wide range of desktops to choose from, try them out by booting from a flash drive and pick what you like. Most distro stuff is about living with the os long term, but the desktop will immediately feel alien or like home. And maybe you like alien! That can be fun, but it really depends on you.

Fedora comes with some asterisks like not making non-free software available by default, including things like drivers and media codecs. That can be a pain to deal with as a new user. And the community isn’t super newbie focused. Mint is great, but doesn’t offer either of the biggest desktop environments that you might wanna use, and I have less personal experience with it.

Open suse also has an exceptional reputation, but I’m less familiar with it. Pop os many folks like, but my experience with it has unfortunately always been kinda buggy and rough around the edges, your milage may vary.

Maybe someday it’d help for me to implement something similar. For today I kinda just have to focus on feeding myself and figuring out how to be a person, but appreciate you sharing that approach, I’ll keep that in the back of my mind

I greatly appreciate your being able to remind me of what happens outside my bubble, at least in a small way. I’m less good at remembering details and keeping up with it all, but I try really hard never to forget there’s stuff I won’t see, or won’t hear about because of where I engage with people.

I agree, I have no doubt he would have gladly dropped it in favor of some personal gain. And he had been angry at Google for what he perceived as left wing bias, which I believe was a lot of the motive.

Anyway, thank you, and I hope you have a lovely day 😊

How rude

Thank you! :)

Thank you 😊

My hair has grown out a ton, and while I’d like to get it cut (and also probably should while searching for a job) I thought it’d be nice to update my picrew and I really like the way it turned out!

I hope things are well in your world 😊