Are we going to have yet another round of “everyone should be free to do whatever they want except set up groups with mutual interests”? People want some magical force in the universe, beyond human conventions, that prevents any person or group from gaining power over another.

I work as a cleaner. Just regular apartment building hallways and the like. Yes, I think it’s important - they had me work through Covid. I also know what it looks like when there’s nobody to clean for a few days. Pay is poor but I can listen to podcasts and audiobooks in peace so it’s chill enough. I am proud of the work though. I hadn’t thought about the impact of custodian work before I started doing it myself and realized how big of a difference it makes. I get by with my pay because I don’t have kids but my workmates definitely struggle. It should pay more.

I don’t agree with the use but at least you’re keeping it private. Not gonna crucify you because I understand the appeal. I’d encourage you to find a way to pay for it though, or even just start making a donation to some environmental cause as a way of off-setting.

I think anything with text generation is fine. Your multiple Google searches are highly likely to eat more resources than that. Also, fuck Google, use Ecosia. But when I suspect an answer isn’t one quick search away, I happily rather use Le Chat for answers, than give Reddit traffic, or have to wade through the shite that is Fandom, Wikia or whatever. Not to mention using AI helps me get past the issue of having to check multiple sites for an answer, just to find that the answer is “Google it” or “Nvm, solved it”. Some of you fuckers did this.

However people need to understand that an AI is exactly as fallible as any person. Yes, it has access and capability to handle way more data but between trying to please you and just it getting it’s wires crossed, it’s going to make mistakes. YOU need to be able to assess the accuracy of the output. The more important the topic, the more careful you need to be and always assume that the possibility of error is there no matter how hard you try - JUST LIKE WITH ANY BIT OF INFORMATION. I see so many people cite academic articles like they prove whatever claim they are making, just to see that the study in question was funded by The Company That Wants to Prove The Claim and sample size was 3 people who work for The Company That Wants to Prove The Claim. At least AI has a small chance of pointing the issue out if YOU yourself tell it to be critical - and I actually suspect this is part of the reason some people hate AI. They don’t like that it absolutely can be more intellectually rigorous than a person with an emotional investment in whatever they want to be true. Yes, you can have an AI asspat your grandest delusions but if you actually try to get it to be critical, it will be. You can use a hammer to hit people, or you can use it on a nail as intended (and how many times you hit your own fingers is on you, not the hammer).

I would draw a line on artwork, videos, music. While I’m not going to crucify actual artists using AI assistance to take out some tedium from a project, I still wouldn’t encourage it. Stolen artwork to train AI is one thing and the environmental impact is VASTLY greater than just text. Generating one AI image can use as much energy as even a 1,000 text responses. I would also really like to be able to completely opt out of AI slop in media sites. I fucking hate that Soundcloud allows it.

And a last point on AI text responses: if you saw the rise of alt-right and the anti-vaxx stuff, you probably are familiar with gish galloping and Brandolini’s Law. If not, you really fucking should be. AI can make it so much easier to debunk misinformation. YES it can make it easier to perpetuate too but this is where we see the AI weapons race. Bad actors can AND WILL use AI to fill any void with their rhetoric. If you value truth and facts and want to prevent misinformation from spreading you are gimping yourself if you’re not using AI.

This whole DB0 vs. feddit.org situation is a joke. They’re using their “Anarchist Code of Conduct” to justify the exact kind of tribalist garbage it was supposed to stop.

The Code says you can’t disrespect or exclude people just for being part of some “unfavorable group.” That got binned fast. Like you say, they’re not even showcasing Feddit hosting Zionism, they’re showcasing them removing hate-speech which aligns with their own damn Code of Conduct. The hypocrisy couldn’t be more palpable.

That “democratic vote” is a joke too. The admins didn’t present a fair debate, they framed it as “Do you stand with the oppressed or with the fascists?” They loaded the language with terms like “Zionist bar problem” and “genocide apologia” to make sure the answer was obvious. That’s not democracy. That’s manipulation. That’s blatant fucking propaganda.

It’s like they think anarchism means “do what we say or you’re the real fascists.” Actually that’s exactly what they think.

No. I ideally don’t even see their faces. I’m not getting to know a person, I’m just looking for some visual stimulation.

Got drunk plenty of times underage. Age 14 onwards about. Had my fun, decided the hangovers weren’t worth it when I was around 20 and only occasionally get drunk anymore (and do my best to mitigate the hangover). Might have a drink sometimes and pretend it’s a cool adult thing to do or something, but I don’t really care for it. Never felt like “I need a drink” or felt any desire for a “refreshing” beer or a cider. I rather have a soda. I’m happy to try cocktails and things like that for novelty but don’t really care for the taste of alcohol itself.

I drink if I’m with my family for a prolonged period of time. It’s this careful maintenance of that very specific stage of mild drunkenness where I can stay jovial but not too open, and can sober up easily before bed.

I’m happy to get drunk in good company but yeah, I drink a lot of water and try to make sure to get properly drunk early with shots and then maintain with beer etc. so I can start sobering up before bed. I really hate laying in bed when drunk.

Somehow I do seem to have a pretty good tolerance for alcohol but I think it’s mainly because I track my state of drunkenness very carefully and drink either shots (or wine, but she’s a treacherous bitch), beer or water depending on how it’s going.

LMAO this thread is a case study in short circuiting people’s sensibilities.

Lucky you?

Yep. It’s especially cringe when people ignore centuries of philosophical discussion. Often smugly.

Great example is when people refer to Richard Dawkins’ books as proof that there is no god. Nothing like a Reddit atheist to make me embarrassed to not believe in god.

You’re on the internet.

Please… educate yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFDatCchpus

The artistry of the dead body pose.

You being distracted by my bullshit sounds awful lot like a you problem.

It’s very telling. He fancies himself to be on the same level as a medieval peasant doing manual labor. While there are actually people out there living under such conditions (and worse), and we actively benefit from it. Peak bourgeois slacktivist meme.

The system loves you. Just angry enough to post, just lazy enough to obey.

Well fucking said. Everyone’s ready to bitch about the system, until you ask them to live anywhere near like the people who are actually getting crushed by it. The performative outrage in this thread is a bad joke to the people who build our phones, sew our clothes, and mine our lithium. To them, we’re not revolutionaries. We’re the elite’s pampered pets, barking at the leash but gladly gobbling up all the treats they throw at us. People are getting mad about AI: guess fucking what, the outrage itself is a treat. The Epstein files are a treat. Anything that keeps you glued to the screen, ignoring everything that is actually around you is a treat. It’s your programmed Two Minutes of Hate.

Revolutions happen with real people willing to make sacrifices, working together and giving others real, tangible reasons to want to support them. Not by bitching online about how very awful it is. You want a revolution? Try going a week without buying anything. Try getting relationships instead of likes. But no, it’s easier to scream into the void and call it resistance, isn’t it? The system thanks you for your compliance.

Oh, what performative purity. You’re typing that on a device built by slave labor, powered by a grid they own, through an internet they control. But sure, AI is where you draw the line, how very principled of you. You still think you’re not part of the machine just because you’re picking which cog to hate today. Congrats, you’ve mastered the art of feeling superior while changing nothing.

Yes. Sorry, didn’t mean to sound like I was lecturing you. I agree with you, broadly speaking. I’ve just been online for a very long time and I’ve seen how these discussions tend to go. I got in my head and wrote to the amalgamation of all the people whose response to topics like these is to shame people for not knowing.

And certain people dismissing this topic with just “think of the children” is unhelpful. It dismisses real pain and hands over the conversation to the worst-faith actors, who are more than happy to fill the void with rage and simplification.

Fucking this. I have little doubt that OP is a lost cause and is just looking troll by “just asking questions” (as evidenced by the fact that he never responds to any genuine and rational comments and only goes for the cheap shots). But never forget that there are people reading these discussions who legitimately don’t know or understand. If you have had the sufficient education and environment to learn these things before needing to ask about it online, you are privileged. The alt-right/MGTOW/nazi/etc. crowd have cultivating resentment in confused and sidelined young men down to a science. They are eager to provide their twisted answers with a seemingly loving embrace when the mainstream discussion dismisses the whole topic because it’s something that you’re just somehow magically supposed to know regardless of your background.

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1053:_Ten_Thousand

On paper I could almost agree but let them leave ONCE. By agreeing to follow the rules and laws of the society etc. And if they then break the agreement, permanently send them back. This makes it so that people born in there have a chance to leave. And perhaps some people could have a light bulb moment that maybe having institutions in place isn’t all that bad.

That said, you always have total freedom to do exactly what you want. As does everyone else - that’s the part everyone tends to forget when floating ideas of this type. It’s just that majority of people already have decided to use that freedom to create systems that encourages certain behaviors and discourages others. People who want absolute freedom for the individual often seem to like the idea of stripping other individuals from the freedom of forming collectives.

We already live in a society that’s the result of the jungle’s law of total freedom. The only issue is that you can’t choose what kind of a system you’re born to and it’s not necessarily easy to switch into another system. But you always have options. People just tend to want to have their cake and eat it too.