Not sure where I stand on the vaccine thing.
I fully support science and think vaccines should be mandatory, especially during a global pandemic that we haven’t seen in a hundred years. Or, for example, measle vaccines before exposing yourself to others during a measles outbreak.
I’m also for body autonomy with abortion and what medical care and what vaccines you receive.
It cuts both ways.
In the end I think the failing here is education. Not enforcement. IMO most reasonable people would take the vaccine. The only reason reasonable people don’t is because they do not trust government or science, due to lack of education or understanding.
You really just needed to think an extra 10 minutes before writing this down.
It doesn’t “cut both ways” those are two separate issues: personal health and public health.
If you think seat belts, fluoride in water, warning labels on poison bottles, bittrex in antifreeze are being foisted upon your personal choices, then you need to reconsider that there are other people than you in the world.
It’s not that complicated: get vaccinated so you and others are less likely to die when disease rolls around.
You know what the word “mandatory” means, right? In this one comment you say you’re for mandatory vaccines in exactly the scenario that the convoy morons were whining about but also go off about bodily autonomy. Yes, education is important but also we have regulations and laws because unfortunately we don’t live in a fairy land where everyone behaves themselves and considers the well-being of their fellow person.
It doesn’t cut both ways equally, not by a long shot.
I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?
Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?
These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven’t had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.
I get you are trying to open a philosophical debate, people are seeing it as strictly antivax, probably the wrong forum to discuss philosophy
People aren’t forced to get vaccines. They are forced to live with the consequences of whatever they decide. If it is in the interest of public health that people who are not vaccinated stay away from public places or immune compromised places like hospitals, then people who make the choice not to get vaccinated, make themselves unable to participate. No one gets held down and forced to be vaccinated however they may lose some privileges (temporarily) that go with being vaccinated. Once the pandemic was under control and people weren’t dying in large numbers every day, those limitations went away.
You’re preaching to the quirky here. I’m just saying it’s not so black and white, and that what we’re seeing is the symptom of a larger issue.
Edit: lmao quirky. I’m gonna leave that autocorrect in cause it’s hilarious.
You’ll never convince some people that the government should have the power to force vaccines on people and they believe people should always retain bodily autonomy. So agree to disagree.
Nobody had vaccines forced on them. Not one person in Canada.
No, telling someone they will lose their job if they dont get vaccinated is not ‘forcing’. Its more like ‘gentle persuasion’ right?
Of course people were forced. There are quite a few cases in Canada where people were laid off or fined who subsequently got their jobs back after the lunacy was over and they won their case in court. The Democracy Fund has been fighting these cases all over Canada.
And $300,000 in fines for Amish people and liens on their property is not “forced”??: https://www.thedemocracyfund.ca/amish_community_overcomes_financial_barriers
OK, I’ll bite. I read the WestJet article. The person won their case because the judge decided WestJet didn’t believe they were serious in their religious basis for their exemption request and therefore didn’t consider options to give the person work in another role that wouldn’t be impacted by their lack of vaccination.
This in no way supports your position that the mandates were somehow illegitimate.
There are more cases. You can google them. The Democracy Fund has been busy defending these people and getting their jobs back and getting their fines quashed. I didnt say that the vaccines weren’t legitimate. I was presenting the clear fact that people were indeed forced to comply in taking them. And some lost their jobs for not doing it. And some were given ridiculous fines for not doing it. Which contradicts the statement above that no one in Canada was forced to take the vaccine. We most definitely were.
