“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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    He’s a fascist dictator, not a communist one. And when the ‘titans of industry’ care more about their bottom line than democratic principles, that’s a sign to rally against them, not frame one’s argument with an echo of McCarthyism.

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      Harris continues to demonstrate that she is not only was too incompetent for the job, but also 1/3 of the reason we have a fascist administration. The other 2/3 belong to Biden and the DNC for the curious. I don’t think she’s too uneducated to know the difference between communism and fascism, i belive she’s intentionally conflating the two because at the end of the day, she’s still a right wing pig.

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          Do you blame water for being wet, or a dog for licking its balls? Fasc gonna fasc, I’ll reserve my criticism for the folks I expected to actively work against it.

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            The other side is also reserving their criticism for those people, so the net result is that the only people who aren’t receiving hate are the fascists.

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          Bro, the first election I voted in was 2016. I only knew that I should vote for Hillary Clinton because she was the Democratic nominee. I wasn’t even aware that Bernie was done dirty by the DNC.

          There’s levels of corruption to politics in America, and part of that corruption is keeping people dumb. If they weren’t so dumb, they might develop class consciousness and vote for things that actually improve their material conditions!

          You don’t have to be a tankie to refute Democrats, and even moreso Republicans. Some people might call that being an Independent.

          Thanks for making that word more useless though.

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          Not everyone who points out the Democrats lost the last election are tankies…

          They annoy me to, but also shut the fuck up if this is your only thought. Even if they were a tankie, which I don’t think they are because the criticized them for reasonable things we all saw, you should actually point out their errors so reasonable people see your comment and don’t trust them instead.

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        these conversations as to which political philosophy is identified correctly: No, its marxism! No communism!, socialism!, bolshevism!, always sprout up. No one cares if he is a “statist”. No one cares about finely parsing which brand of leftwing is which. Its a pointless circlejerk where no one gets off in the end, so why do it?

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        I can understand what she was trying to do; pull the libertarians and the conservative small state crowd to the Democrats, but it’s a dumb message and I doubt current DNC voters want anything to do with them. This is why they lost so many votes and will continue to lose; they need to attract those who abstain from voting and stop trying to please potential undecided Republicans once and for all.

        Trump’s actions mirror the modus operandi of most dictators, whether from the left or right. The way he appointed an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist as health secretary is reminiscent of Stalin promoting Lysenko’s ideas against all the scientific evidence independently produced by his peers.

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        Conservatives don’t care about small government. They just uaw “small government” as a dog whistle to attack racial minorities. New Deal-era and post-WW2 GI Bill policies were quite popular in the South, as they were written to exclude black people from their benefits. It was only with the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society movements, when black people started qualifying for poverty assistance just like white people, that conservatives suddenly started caring about small government.

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          Conservatives don’t care about small government.

          I see this often from (presumably) liberals.

          I came from a conservative family and held conservative / libertarian beliefs most of my life. These people really, really do want small government. Saying that they don’t makes it impossible to understand their motives – and we really do have to understand where people are coming from.

          To complain that their political leaders sell out those ideals for the sake of buying votes is fair, but only if you admit that same set of perverse incentives is not unique to any party.

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            These people really, really do want small government.

            If they do, then none of their actions support this desire.

            There’s a reason why the venn diagram between libertarians, conservatives, and maga is practically a circle.

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        Except calling him a statest is misleading. He will gladly undermine the state until it is subservient to the party. That’s the purges.

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      Nah this is USSR style government at its core. Hes running all the classic dictator playbooks but a lot of this was ripped from USSR

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      He has taken some very communist steps. The government has taken stake in Nvidia and Intel, as well as received voting shares in Nippon Steel. His government has literally started seizing the means of production…

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        Those aren’t even under the illusion of the workers owning the means of production, though.

        It’s fascism, utilizing the pre-existing Christian fundamentalism of American conservatism. The fact it includes kleptocratic state capitalism doesn’t change the fascism, or its means of attaining power.

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        Complete misunderstanding of what the term even means. Like I said in another comment, it’s incorrect, antiquated boomer speak.

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          Jeepers, did you ever consider the fact that the Nazis have a better understanding of communication than you do? Do you understand about messaging and target audience? Do you think you’re the target audience for this statement? Do you think Kamal Harris is speaking to your personal understanding of what communism is? Or do you think she is speaking to 50 years of US propaganda? And the description that would be readily recognized by most republican voters? Do you think everything is about you?

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            So she’s still out there pandering to right wing voters? No wonder she lost.

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            So good communication is lying to people instead of trying to achieve higher understanding? Just keep dumbing down discourse so long as it gets you some short-term gain?

            Wow, with thought like that it’s no wonder Americans voted in fascism. You’re supposed to be on the “good” side? I see why Democrats are more than happy to smash leftists teeth in alongside their fascist counterparts. 'm sure you’ll get there when chips are down.

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              Let me critique this critique because the critique is not hard enough, and it also hurts my feelings more than the fascist stealing my government.

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              I mean she’s doing more than you are doing to oppose your enemies currently. Seriously have any of you armchair communist done anything? Are you guys still in fighting over labels? Like the fastest have pretty much taken full control and you are picking apart Kamala Harris‘s press briefing. And you’re saying, I am a fucking sympathizer.

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        Communism is the people taking control of production right? Not the fascist dictator.

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          This is a great question! You’re basically correct, but there are a few additional things. As far as the relationship between workers/consumers and the means of production is that of social ownership. Rather than an individual (or individuals) privately owning the means of production and purchasing labor from workers, the workers, consumers, and society as a whole collectively own and operate the means of production.

          Additionally, the economic system is not a market system. Instead, investments, production, and allocation of capital goods (resources/products which are used either as ingredients for another product or as machinery/tools to produce another product) are planned, and not left up to “market forces”.

          There are some aspects which are debated among communist philosophers. One major aspect is whether the economic planning would/should be centrally or decentrally done. The USSR had a primarily centrally planned economy. Others (myself included) advocate for a decentrally planned system.

          Some things, which are usually stated, as being part of communism, are that society is moneyless, stateless, and classless. Starting with moneyless, if goods are exchanged on a market, an intermediate good is usually used specifically for exchange purposes (currency/money). If goods are not exchanged on a market, money is less necessary, so it is expected to be phased out.

          Many philosophers say that the state’s purpose is to “ease” tensions between classes, and enforce economic policies. If there are no classes, and goods and services are “produced based on ability, and distributed based on need”, the primary purposes of the state no longer exist, so it would likely “whither away”. Anarchists generally argue for an immediate dissolution of the state.

          The keen eyed, among you readers, might wonder how the planning could be done without a state, especially if the planning is central. I would be interested in the answer to that, myself. There are a few books talking about a post-capitalist system. I recommend No Bosses and Inventing the Future.

          Hope this helps!

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        That’s what’s called “crony capitalism”, in this case. Communism is something completely different.