“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”
It’s communism when the workers seize the means of production. The thing is, this is not a workers’ government.
So the split hairs is that technically it’s not communism because it’s not helping the workers?
This really feels like “no true Scotsman”. The government that workers chose, seized the means of production. This is communism.
It’s not even under the illusion of communism you nonce. So no, it’s not communism.
Might as well call Trump the real “woke librul antifa” if you don’t care about the meaning words.
I guess what @degen@midwest.social is trying to point at is that worker’s don’t truly control the government and so when the current government seizes the means of production it’s closer to a change of hands between different groups of capitalists than anything envisioned by communists.
I’d also like to say that although the government has “seized” 10% of Intel shares for example it has no control over Intel’s decisions. Those shares only provide dividends.
Question was the history of the USSR what you envisioned as communism because that’s what we’re comparing this to? You understand no one’s thinking about your belief in what communism is right? We are using the term communist to refer to the USSR related propaganda we enjoyed as children. No one cares what your vision of communism looks like and how it compares to the Trump administration ffs. How many of you are going to embarrass yourself stating this strange sentiment
I guess politics is a touchy topic for some.
I don’t know why you are insinuating I’m:
I was just attempting to clear up what OC was getting at, no need to get all worked up over it.
To answer your questions.
Feel free to point out anything I might have gotten wrong, cheers
No that’s totally fair, especially the part about being hard to define. Even Marx struggled with at. USA clearly defined it by its propaganda. Kamala is calling upon that definition. Apologies if I misread your post or your intent
Yeah, I totally get why she said it, just don’t think it’s a good idea to invite red scare tactics into the 21st century.
Btw your civil reply to my comment truly made my day, hope in humanity slightly raised
Look at it this way, she is not inviting it, she is repurposing it. The Republican Party has done a lot of legwork to fearmonger their voters with that term. It is an incredibly powerful and accessible label with the target audience. It’s not like she’s building a new Red scare with this comment, it it’s already here and if you don’t take control of the narrative and the label, the Nazis are going to run circles around us
THIS ISNT REAL COMMUNISMM REEEEEEEE
-no shit Sherlock we know it’s not an imaginary classless utopia because I’m still poor
I’m happy you do, others might not be so wise
I’m sure if you guys circle jerk enough of upvotes, maybe you can defeat the authoritarians who are literally openly planning to throw you in a wood chipper.
It’s not “no true Scotsman”, you just have a completely blurred concept of what communism even is. Literally happening under a capitalist economy, with a dictatorship of the bourgeois.
This is part and parcel of fascism by the way: the muddying of discourse itself so terms become meaningless. Everything becomes everything, and nothing all at once. Education is the cure. I’d recommend reading communist texts if you want to learn more of the difference.
This is state capitalism. Words have meaning, it’s not “no true Scotsman” simply because you’re using the wrong word.
It can feel that way when communism isn’t really understood. It’s not communism because it’s still capitalism, explicitly. 10% of shares makes the government insider capital, nothing else, and definitely not communist.