Just stick with Firefox and uBlock Origin.
Especially since Adblock Plus take payment to whitelist adverts.
Or even better, Librewolf.
Sadly i have to stop using it. Librewolf has start getting some graphic bug, i also can’t upload pictures to some website (it show just lines). Now i’m trying Floorp.
This is caused by not allowing the website to access your html canvas data. You can fix this in the address bar by clicking the icon on the left of the URL to grant permissions.
To add to this.
This isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.
Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you’re blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services.
There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything.
You could disable canvas blocking globally (I’m assuming, I haven’t looked) and the problem would go away, but you’ve then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser.
As much as I like Librewolf as concept and ideology, I can’t keep thinking that if there’s a Firefox 0day, Firefox gets patched first, Librewolf later, and I’m potentially exposed for longer. That’s why I prefer to stick with upstream.
Honest question, but what makes librewolf BETTER? In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. Librewolf is just firefox with those things ripped out right?
This is what makes Librewolf better.
In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings.
They’re abusing the default and making privacy settings require user intervention rather than defaulting to the most private settings and allowing the option of opting in.
It’s abusing consent, so people move to browsers where privacy is the default option.
Blocking abp was the last straw for me, thank you for suggesting librewolf
Librewolf doesn’t just block Mozilla telemetry, it also has an easy to understand default for cookies and privacy settings so someone who isn’t a computer expert can rely on the librewolf’s defaults to keep trackers from being able to build a profile on you.
Yes. I consider it better because it’s preconfigured for privacy, includes UBlock Origin by default, and rips Mozilla’s telemetry out. So you never have to worry about them sneaking something new in a later update.
I’m more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding?
Update frequency/latency hasn’t been an issue in the 2 years I’ve been using it.
Sure, but what about in 2 years from now?
I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don’t want that to happen again.
I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it’s just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning.
Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it
Certainly a valid concern, but it’s true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly.
I’ve been using IronFox since it came out and I don’t think it has been out for 2 years yet… are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained?
Also, I’ve been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number.
I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same.
as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there
I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort.
From looking at the repo, it looks like it’s simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don’t maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building.
There’s benefits to us not tweaking privacy settings. TOR explicitly discourages it. You don’t (always) get fingerprinted by a single unique item, it’s through an ensemble of data points that companies can identify who you are. There may be 10% of users with your same font library, and 1% who has the same monitor width, and 5% with the same time zone, and voila, when you multiply those percentages, you get close to one in a couple billion, and they’ve successfully fingerprinted you.
If everyone tweaks their settings from default Firefox, you reveal more information about yourself each time. You may think you’re protecting yourself, but the reality is the opposite, you’re creating a one of a kind browser config. This is where Librewolf can really reign supreme, if we all just use stock Librewolf, no one will be unique, and everyone will be anonymous.
Have you noticed uBlock Origin being a bit hit and miss on YouTube lately? I’ve had it happen a few times lately where the video won’t play, or an ad comes up but doesn’t play. I’ve had to keep refreshing until it gets to normal where it just plays the damn video.
If on mobile, try setting it to desktop mode. Also, getting the chameleon extension and pretending you are using chrome can also help.
I think youtube might have implemented something that prevents the server from delivering the video files until the expected duration of the ad has passed. This idea is completely unfounded, but this is what it feels like to me.
Maybe it is a regional thing? I was watching YouTube 30 mins ago with no issues and haven’t ever had any unless I open a new tab but don’t try to watch until the next day. Then I just need to refresh and it is off to the races.
a b testing
or he needs to update his unlock
No. It works across all my systems. I never see ads on YT. However…
Videos not loading or playing delayed: That’s a YT feature which they implemented for Firefox users, to annoy them. And to promote Chrome as “the fastest” webbrowser.
I also have dns issues at home… I should fix them already. Sometimes, a page doesn’t load on the first try.
I experience the same issue. All the elements on the page load extremely slow or sometimes not at all.
I noted an experimental rule in uBO to address delays, but have not tried it yet myself.
Under settings, Filter lists, Built-in, uBlock filters - Experimental
Code has a comment:
! fake buffering on the initial load
You can try user agent switcher. Sometimes it is detected or causes issues, but if YouTube thinks you are running Chrome then you may get better service.
dont give them solutions, they want to be angry
The article even links to a guide to get it on chrome
That said though, there is one ad blocker that still works. Two words: uBlock Origin. Yes, I know that Google has blocked it from its Chrome Extension store, but there is still a way to get uBlock Origin on Chrome that our how-to extraordinaire Kaycee has detailed.
“I’ve found a workaround”
Workaround (according to article): “First of all, YouTube Premium”
The actual workaround (according to article): “Two words: uBlock Origin. Yes, I know that Google has blocked it from its Chrome Extension store, but there is still a way to get uBlock Origin on Chrome”
Seems like they are being paid by Google. Actual workaround should be to drop Chrome.
My thoughts exactly, what a heap of crap. Tom’s Guide used to be one of the good ones out there, real shame.
What I was wondering though is if they detect browser plugins through some public ID - how difficult is it to change those? In Firefox it’s absolutely trivial, you can simply download the extension, open it as a zip file, and then edit the files inside with a text editor and change the ID.
Haven’t used chrome for years, but extensions used to be javascript files just as well, so I doubt they are that hard to edit. Unless they found a way to block installations from local files and enforce their shop, no idea if that’s a thing.
if they detect browser plugins through some public ID - how difficult is it to change those?
I actually dismissed that one from the get go since there is not confirmation of any mechanism they described in the article. Not going to spend time on technical-looking explanations from someone who calls a whole another extension a “workaround”. Might as well be the case of broken or outdated filters in ABP.
I’m sure if some major site finds a way to know your extensions we’ll see some major unsolvable issues.
I mean, Firefox + uBlock Origin + SponsorBlock makes YouTube usable without giving Google more money
To my knowledge, sponsors do not give money to Google, just to the creator. So SponsorBlock isn’t needed.
But I have to admit that some sponsored segments can be obnoxious as hell, so I can understand why one would use it.When I’m using sponsorblock, I sometimes just stop watching if I see a long sponsor section, regardless. If the poster has like 20% of their video used to talk about shilling something, then they’re probably not someone I trust.
Ah, yes, you’re right. If the focus is just on not giving money to Google then SponsorBlock is unnecessary.
However, I also find most sponsored segments obnoxious as hell so SponsorBlock still helps with making the YouTube experience better in general
The workaround: Switch from Adblock Plus to uBlock Origin.
ABP has had random issues that break it often for years now. It’s crap.
ABP has also been owned and run by a shady investment firm for the past decade.
No uBlock on my phone. :(
On Firefox on Android you can use extensions. I’ve been using uBO for years on my phone.
As much as I hate to say it, if on iOS use Brave. You can disable the crypto shit, but it’s got the best adblocking on iOS, and paywall bypass built in.
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Why?
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Spite has been a powerful driver in my most recent software choices recently. I know how it is.
Firefox on Android has it.
But if you’re on iOS you’d better speak to Tim Apple about it, assuming he’s finished noshing off Trump.
You can have it on iOS as well. Use Orion browser instead of safari and install UBO from the firefox addons store ;)
It doesn’t work properly… Orion still really falls short. I use Brave on iOS just because of Adblock and paywall bypass.
Oh, well I haven’t had problems so far with Orion+UBO!
Wasn’t adblock plus bought by some ad agency? I thought they were long gone…
I don’t know about that but they do have a program where advertisers can pay them in exchange for their ads being allowed past the block.
The workaround
Quit using YouTube directly and proxy your request through an Invidious instance.
Your requests are mixed in with everyone else’s, ad’s are blocked and most importantly only 1 machine touches YouTube directly and that’s the server hosting Invidious.
Not a solution for most people, unfortunately…
Could you elaborate on why not?
Most people don’t even know what Invidious is, let alone the fact that there are other video hosting sites that aren’t youtube (Vimeo, for one).
Invidious is always breaking, too, and most people will stop using it when that happens.
We are talking about most people, not the absolutely tiny minority of technical users who are aware that such a thing as Invidious even exists.
I wonder what percentage of views are done with a general purpose web browser vs. YouTube apps on phones and TVs. Otherwise, yeah, if you have a web browser it is an option. And since this thread is about browser extensions, I too am wondering what they meant.
You see how often growing youtubers complain about more than 85% of their viewers are not subscribed to the channel, or how just some videos have more views than their main content? The issue is that Invidious doesn’t have the algorithm Youtube provides to everyone, and that not a lot of people really watch their subscribed page.
more than 85% of their viewers are not subscribed
Why would you have an account in that hellhole?
Some of us made Gmail accounts long before Youtube even existed, and still rely on youtube for tutorials and other things of that nature that aren’t found anywhere else.
Don’t be a pretentious dick about it.
I was just thinking that I should host a “how to” peertube instance.
You see how often growing youtubers complain about more than 85% of their viewers are not subscribed to the channel, or how just some videos have more views than their main content?
I actually don’t watch a whole lot of YouTube anymore so I can’t really comment on this here.
The issue is that Invidious doesn’t have the algorithm Youtube provides to everyone,
But isn’t this what people are trying to avoid when it comes to digital privacy? User data being used in less algorithms?
But isn’t this what people are trying to avoid when it comes to digital privacy? User data being used in less algorithms?
Yes. Invidious and other programs, websites and anything else are useful for these kind of things. When you go to another house and in another computer you want to see some video but not affect the watch history of the user that uses the computer mainly. Or just simply watching some video that you wouldn’t normally watch.
But most people who use YouTube actively on their main computer binge-watch. Sometimes they follow creators, sometimes they follow what the algorithm recommends them for the day. Invidious does not have such algorithm, since its a proxy. So, it is really not for everyone.
Imagine using Adblock/Adblock plus in 2025.
there is one ad blocker that still works. Two words: uBlock Origin.
Vivaldi without any plugins also works. No ads. And I’m sure there are many more possible configurations. This article reads like the author thinks there’s only two browsers and two ad blockers.
Not sure about vivaldi but brave actually pulls its filters from ublock origin
I noticed yesterday and it’s also affecting other sites where Google serves ads, like Reddit.
I don’t use Chrome so whatever they did is affecting Adblock elsewhere too.
Everyone else has switched to Ublock Origin adblocker years ago :) Try it, it’s the only real one
It’s not on iOS or I would. I use uBlock on my PC.
10+years ago since they annouced the whitelisting of adlbock plus around that time.it was around the same time youtube to started drastically increasing thier advertisements.
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Hence the part “nobody noticed” in the headline
I got a question in my head just now.
DNS sinkhole doesnt help with youtube ads but UBO does. DNS doesn’t help with twitch ads and neither UBO does. Why is that youtube doesn’t do the same what twitch does?
On a side note, my ads on twitch are basically “ad is in progress” screen and not an actual ad. And lately YT has couple of seconds with no video in the beginning as if it loads (1Gbit connection) but eventually loads up and plays with no interruptions after.
I don’t work on uBlock or even webdev but it doesn’t take much of a stretch to think YouTube’s servers will refuse to immediately transmit a video stream after the webpage is requested; probably waiting for a typical user to skip 2 30-sec ads.
Bah, This is just an add for a YouTube premium subscription
Tom’s Hardware, Ad Block Plus, paying for YouTube Premium as a “work around”?
Guys this content was by boomers for boomers
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Guys this content was by boomers for boomers
Tom’s Hardware sold out looong ago, sold in 2007 to some faceless consortium. The original “Tom”, Thomas Pabst, who is GenX and not a boomer btw, has had nothing to do with the site since.
The editor of this article looks to be a millennial btw.
boomer is a state of mind
To gen z, a boomer is anybody older than them
“Adblock Plus” Me: WHAT YEAR IS THIS?
Who uses Adblock Plus? Isn’t uBlock Origin (Lite) the shit to go to?
I’m using Adblock Plus, because of their Acceptable Ads system. Imo it’s far more ethical to regulate ads than to ban them entirely. Websites have to make money to sustain themselves, and ads are the least intrusive way this can be done besides donations (and let’s be honest, most websites can’t support themselves on donations alone). I’d rather have an ad or two at the end of an article than a paywall.
I would love to switch to a different adblocker, ABP has quite enshittified over the years imo. But it would have to be one with Acceptable Ads support.
If you want to support a webpage, then donate to it. This ad-based business model should die.
Donating costs me money. Donating to every single website I like or rely on requires far more money than I have available or am willing to spend. I don’t know your situation, but I’m not rich. I don’t have that kind of disposable income to just throw around.
That said, thanks for mentioning that. I did donate to kbin when it was still around, but I’ve forgotten to set up donations for mbin and kbin.earth since switching over. I’ll have to get on with that.
ublock origin non-lite is the shit to go to
Lite was delibaretly in brackets :)
I see, but lite is much less effective. google has worked hard to make it lose its capabilities. it may still be effective at blocking youtube ads (though as it cannot use frequently updatable blocklists it probably has a higher delay for fixes when something breaks), but it cannot have specific rules for less popular sites, because of chrome’s low limit on allowed filtering rules, and even though it can hide ads, that’s not the sole function of ublock origin. ubo is a complex content blocker, with versatile tools to defuse site tracking on lots of websites. lite cannot do that anymore effectively, because both its capabilities have been reduced (e.g. it cannot edit network traffic anymore I think), and the number of filtering rules that it can load.
and even before lite, ubo could not be as effective on chrome as on firefox, because of slight differences in the extension api, with not so slight practical differences.
yeah, lite is worse, no arguing there
Luckily I use Maxthon which stll supports uBlock Oriigin non Lite. When it stopps, Firefox here we go :)
Yes, and it has been for many many years. In 2011 Adblock Plus deemed some ads acceptable, no longer blocking them categorically. Following that controversity, uBlock Origin became the popular standard.
Honestly, given that Adblock Plus has always had an “acceptable ads” system - I guess they simply decided now YouTube ads are acceptable. Not really surprising then.
It’s strange that they go to this much effort to ban ad blockers. What’s the percentage of their user base watching on devices with ad blockers? I bet it’s low — especially when including smart tv viewers in those numbers.
