I had some relatives fighting so hard to get their kids a voucher to go to a better school. I kept thinking why is it then that you vote to defund education? Shouldn’t you want schools to be better in general?
But no, they just went great schools for their kids in particular. Fuck everybody else.
I plan to have no children and still realize the benefits of better schools for everyone. Why would I want to live in a future where the next generation is a bunch of idiots, there are already enough idiots in my own generation
Me, myself, and anybody I care about. Everyone else is Woke. Or whatever slur they’re drumming up this week.
I have no kids and want better schools for kids
It’s this about everything. I remember arguing to my grandmother, who told me flat to my face, she only cares about her and her own because “it’s a dog eat dog world”
Yep. They want everyone to have it worse while they have access to an out
In-group, out-group, fascism etc.
I can’t remember the full quote or who wrote it.
Or: rules for thee but not for mee
I have a friend who’s dad immigrated to the US from Mexico initially illegally but managed to get citizenship, then voted for Trump back in 2016. Said he wanted to put the first brick in the wall. I hate people.
When you drill holes in every boat so that everyone else will leave, even the fanciest ship you choose will be taking on water just the same.
Holy fuck self identify as American and identify them as American too then everyone is the fucking majority.
What if we all identify as humans?
I wish it were that simple. Most of us are good old fashioned American mutts, but a significant portion of the population picks only single ancestral heritages to latch onto. Like, I’ve got Irish ancestors, but I have so relatively few of them that to claim being Irish American would be misleading at best. We cosplay our favorite ethnicity once, maybe twice a year on the “appropriate” holidays, and maybe more if we’ve got cool clothing in our heritage like lederhosen and can play the concertina
I think it’s a tribal reactive feeling of “my people need to live”. Remember that conservatives are more fear driven.
This. The honest answer is some degree of “We’ve been generous, but they will kill us once they outnumber us.”
Inb4 literal centuries of literature, film, games, etc. in which the primary theme is “we were the real ‘savages’ all along”
Yeah but “my people” is humanity. That’s the difference.
Yes, you and I feel that way. Actually there’s a neat test of values. Ask people to rank the following in terms of personal importance, what do they value the most, to the least?
world / country / state / town / friends / family
Or any slight variation of the above. I would put country in last place, for sure. What about you? Many people would put the world last.
Frankly I put state last.
Yeah those Marsians can fuck right off back to their home!!1!one
I wouldn’t be fascinated for a second by that line. I’d just assume the person delivering it was a piece of shit.
Reading Luke Kemp’s Goliath’s Curse has a statement referencing Barbara Walter’s How Civil Wars Start And How to Stop Them: A dominant ethnic group losing status within a country is the single best predictor of civil war today.
…so Barbara Walter argues that ethnostates are necessary to keep the peace? 🤨
That speaks more to your ideological fantasy than anything else.
In the chapter “The Rise of Factions,” Walter describes how aspiring autocrats cultivated racial and ethnic resentments that culminated in brutal ethnic violence in the former Yugoslavia and in Rwanda. In “The Dark Consequence of Losing Status,” she describes how a sudden change in the power of a specific ethnic group can be more inflammatory than a sustained structural imbalance.
https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2022/10/13/review-walter-jacobs-civil-war-243912/
That speaks more to your ideological fantasy than anything else.
Actually, that you interpret it that way speaks to my failure in walking the line between my joke being dry enough without sounding like I’m being sincere 🤷
In the chapter “The Rise of Factions,” Walter describes how aspiring autocrats cultivated racial and ethnic resentments that culminated in brutal ethnic violence in the former Yugoslavia and in Rwanda. In “The Dark Consequence of Losing Status,” she describes how a sudden change in the power of a specific ethnic group can be more inflammatory than a sustained structural imbalance.
Sounds about right, yeah.
Oh… a joke, yes, ha ha.
How could there ever be a minority of us Americans in America?
I write in American under race
I put “Red, white, and blue” under ethnicity
I’m from a minority group, born and brought up here in the UK and and always amazed how many, including the good friends in the “native” population dont see their advantages. We don’t hold anything against each other, we just experience our lives differently
This isn’t a clever gotcha.
The hypothetical future majority that would be treating minorities badly would be a different group that the majority that’s supposed to be treating minorities badly now.
You’d want to look at how minorities are treated in the countries the immigrants are coming from to predict future behavior. The answer is usually going to be “quite a bit worse, actually.”
Ultimately, the immigrants are coming because they think the treatment of minorities in the new country is still better than being a majority in the old country. No one picks up and leaves because they believe it’s going to make their life shittier.
For some people, it’s not the discrimination, its job opportunities, economic factors, and sometimes political factors.
My family is Han Chinese, we wouldn’t really get “racial discrimination” in mainland China like ever, since its a racially homogenous society for the most part, except maybe sometimes regional discrimination, that aren’t really that bad. BUT, its very difficult to get jobs in China, the jobs you do get sucked, yes it’s even worse than the US.
The US does have a lot of discrimination, but if you can just endure that, everything else would likely be better. Just stay in blue cities, and its fine. I don’t think I can ever go to any red states or red towns in the US, those terrify me.
Edit: Also note, we did not come during this admin, we were here for more than a decade.
You’d want to look at how minorities are treated in the countries the immigrants are coming from to predict future behavior. The answer is usually going to be “quite a bit worse, actually.”
It doesn’t work like that, unless all immigrants came from the same place, as a homogenous group.
I know, some immigrants are just as xenophobic as the “original” inhabitants of their new home (e.g. my mom), but never in the same way as it was in their former country.
But emigrating in itself means a desire for change; a desire to change.
I think it’s a good gotcha. It says: what are you really afraid of? That you’re going to be treated just as badly as you are treating minorities?
That’s what this is about, not any hypothetical future situation where $MINORITY becomes the majority. That’s just thinking in the same terms of paranoia the xenophobes are thinking in.
As a minority immigrant who is a majority in his country I left fully knowing I’d have to deal with some amount of racism and discrimination, but the money saved could buy me a better lifestyle and an early retirement back home.
Easy comeback, how are minorities treated in other countries? for example if you receive a lot of immigration from Nigeria how are minorities treated there? Just because our society is tolerant doesn’t mean others are not intolerant.
For an IRL example just read about the Lebanese Civil War.
This one just made me laugh sardonically! 🙁
I think it’s more about preserving their echo chamber maintained.
I mean, yeah.
