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I would take Harris, who was the only other choice in our two party system, any day over Trump.
These idiot’s solution to the trolley problem is to complain about the lever and how there should be better level so it’s not their fault for not pulling the lever that was available.
She wasn’t the only other choice. I had 4 choices, and a write in option. If you wanted the Democrats to continue to move to the right, you can just say that instead of making up excuses.
How many votes did those other three get?
Did they miss second place by a vote or two?
How many did Harris lose by? Was it enough that 3rd party votes mattered?
I didn’t vote against Genocide and The War Machine because I thought we would win. I voted against them because they are evil.
I’m just wondering if they had a chance.
If they lost by a couple percentage points it’s a lot different then if they only got a couple tenths of a point but I can tell by your dodging of the question what the answer is.
Of course they never had a chance to win. Americans care more about their team winning, then they care about stopping things like Genocide or War. Always have, and probably always will.
Keep desperately trying to convince yourself of that.
Why would I have to convince myself of something that I clearly did?
The only realistic other choice.
You keep trying to blame the voters. Harris was the problem. Blaming the voters (which you did in real time in 2024) handed the election to Trump. You can’t, nor should you “move” 6 million people onto the wrong side of history by asking them to support a genocide. You might be able to move a candidate. Blaming voters is a total and complete distraction.
You (and those who adopt the same strategy as you) are the reason we ended up with Trump. And this toxic, destructive mindset of yours needs to be buried so we can actually have a chance of stopping Trump in the future.
Voting red or not voting is still the reason Trump got into office. He supports the genocide, but ok, HaRriS BaD. Note I don’t like Democrats either, but I don’t agree with throwing votes away because of one issue that was worse on the other side. The people who didn’t vote or voted the other way supported genocide by letting Trump win.
But this is entirely the point. Blaming the voters gives you the opportunity to wash your hands and absolve blame, but it doesn’t get us any closer to winning the election in 2024. Not now, and not then, in 2024, when it was happening in real time.
There was one way to beat Trump in 2024: Get more votes than him. Its obvious now that the argument “less bad” wasn’t good enough to convince 6 million people to show up. We ran the experiment. We got the data. We know the outcomes.
If you, or SatansMaggotyCumFart, or anyone else wants to keep defending this approach, the onus is on you to provide a mechanism for how this argument gets Harris 6 million more votes.
Satan’ thinks they have an axe to grind because they were couching their rhetoric with the expectation of failure from the onset. The argument that “less bad” should be good enough is bad politics and doesn’t work because it doesn’t convince any new voter who didn’t already accept that argument to show up. The more that argument shows up, the more people think that this failed approach to electoralism has legs, the further we get from actually being able to beat the Trumps of the world.
Harris offered voters nothing, and we were quite literally begging her to throw a fucking crumb of rhetoric saying she would stop arms to Israel, because it was obvious to anyone with eyes that she was going to lose the election if she didn’t move on this issue in August. And Satans approach to that point was to push those who were critical of kamala FURTHER out of the party; basically the same treatment the DNC gave to Palestinians at the convention.
Don’t be like Satan. We need to actually win, and Satan’s approach will lose us another election. Criticize candidates, intensely. FORCE them into positions that can actually get them elected. Demand that candidates move to where their voters are, because there is quite literally no mechanism to move 6 million voters into supporting genocide, and if you promote that, you are a bad person.
Already had a chance, threw it away
I’m just going to leave this here before I walk away from this conversation
Good. Maybe go away from ever commenting again too.
{What do you think the point of reposting hard evidence of your toxicity is?}
It really must be difficult to do the mental gymnastics required to absolve yourself from the key role that you played in the rise of American fascism… I mean, I get why. It must feel awful to know the truth.
So blame everyone but yourself.
So what exactly is it you think you are accusing me of? Not voting sufficiently hard enough for Kamala? That I argued too strongly that Kamala wasn’t winning based on the data I had available and what analysis and inference I could develop?
Or that I argued that she needed to do something different in her campaign to win based on where the electorate was at?
Do you genuinely believe that because people pointed out that Kamala was running a disastrous campaign, that this was why she lost?