• melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    Trump making it to the presidency shows the rot in americas core. This is more about the american people than trump. It’s not too late though people. When did politics change to become Mother Abigail versus Randall Flagg?

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      What puzzles me is how the US sacrificed so many rights at the altar of “national security” (e.g. Patriot Act) only to let this happen in the clear…so none of it really mattered for “national security”.

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      Oh geez you probalby have a point eh. But here’s the thing: the right wing propaganda is being cranked up to every english-speaking country to affect this same “rot”. It will happen to your country. Because the answer for it does not exist in practice, and basically won’t exist because money.

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    You really elected a Russian asset from KGB as president, lol, you condemned us all

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        In my country voting is:

        • universal,
        • secret
        • mandatory

        We also get the day off for voting.

        In electoral times, it’s really a hassle, everyone voting at the same time. We usually screw up and end up voting fascism too, but at least you know for sure that more than half the population is stupid. You know than more than half of your coworkers, family, friends, are idiots. No electoral college, no gerrymandering. Just plain idiots.

        You guys are not even sure how many idiots you have.

        Edit: I want to be clear, I don’t like or support fascism, be it democratically elected or quiet quitting democracy what put them in power.

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      It couldn’t have happened without the support of ubiquitous right-wing media running 24/7 and with only varying levels of outrageous right-wing points of view. I’m including all corporate news media in that.

      That’s the part the world doesn’t understand yet. It’s coming for you, no matter where you are.

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    He called for murder of people who were innocent of the accused crime. He ran a full page ad in the NYT advocating it.

    Could you imagine having a wealthy asshole deciding one day you should die and spending a shit ton of money to make it happen.

    This is why wealthy fucks should never be President.

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      To be clear, only one of the claims in the OP image are verified in this article; the claim that Donald Trump paid for this ad.

      The article doesn’t address how the timing of the ad relates to the timing of his trip to Russia, or who booked the trip, or whether InTourist is run by the KGB.

      Which is why I fucking hate this format of conveying “information”. This is right wing style info sharing and it’s gross.

      Maybe it’s all true. I want it to be, because President Taco is so clearly Putin’s creature that I yearn for a story to explain how it happened, or when, or why.

      But this image doesn’t do anything but force me to go try and verify these claims on my own.

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        The article doesn’t address how the timing of the ad relates to the timing of his trip to Russia

        Why would it? There’s no hard evidence. The whole point of the image is to show how suspicious the timing is. It would still be suspicious even without the KGB claim.

        who booked the trip

        We know who booked the trip because it is in The Art of the Deal.

        whether InTourist is run by the KG

        A former GRU spy and a historian say it was. I didn’t find anything to lead me to believe that it wasn’t but maybe I didn’t look hard enough. It also behaved in a manor consistent with my expectations of a KGB run tourist agency but that’s just vibes.

        this image doesn’t do anything but force me to go try and verify these claims on my own.

        Unfortunately, in this day and age you should be making an effort to verify everything before you believe it. How much of an effort is going to vary based on how important the thing is to you.

        Here’s a couple sources to get you started:

        https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/

        https://web.archive.org/web/20190113232410/https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4116&context=edissertations

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      That’s “The art of the deal”, You know. They wanted 130k, but he talked them down to 95k.

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      Damn.

      Turns out 40 years ago it was just as easy to piss in his ears. Just flatter him and push whatever agenda you might need him to repeat

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        I’m gonna say that I don’t really care if the KGB “convinced” a private citizen to take out an ad. Seriously: if some dude stopped me on the street and offered me $1M to buy $100k of AdSense saying NATO started the war in Ukraine, I’d probably do that. Who really cares what I, or some 80s real-estate schmuck, pastes on the side of walls? Trump never made any secret of being an anything-for-money person.

        I’d expect to get fired. I’d expect it to be disqualifying for public office. So, to me, the thing that’s actually disturbing is how many of our political leaders & how much of the public at large is willing to go along with and even celebrate the propaganda for free. Betray their stated ideals for free.

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          I’d expect to get fired. I’d expect it to be disqualifying for public office.

          Yeah, but that’d be the better world (not ideal one though, in ideal one there is no lobbying), and we’re now in situation where people made careers lobbying different stuff, while being in positions, that are supposed to serve the people.

          Tulsi Gabbard is my favourite example with few episodes of taking money from Assad regime at some points and that is like lowest low, lower would probably be lobbying for DPRK, and I feel like she wouldn’t turn down that offer too. And that is the person choosen by Taco Don to lead national intelligence.

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        In 1983 Graydon Carter (later editor of Spy and Vanity Fair) was assigned to write a profile of trump for GQ magazine. In the profile, Carter mentioned that trump’s hands seemed “too small for his body”. When the issue came out, trump sent out his minions to buy up as many copies of GQ in NYC as they could get their hands on, to prevent people from reading it. Apparently, this led to greater-than-normal sales of that issue which prompted publisher Si Newhouse to greenlight trump’s book The Art of the Deal.

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    Russia did not lose the cold war, they just played to the West’s ego while they learned how to manipulate information and slowly destabilize the rest of the world.

    In this essay I will…

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      You can lose a war, hold a grudge and then start a new war. You don’t need to rewrite history to say that the west is once again at war with Russia.

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      In my view, the “collapse” of the Soviet Union was actually just the elites sloughing off their actual obligations to the masses, allowing them to enjoy their wealth and power openly while the ordinary people rot away. For the most part, the government officials who had been in charge of state assets in the USSR ended up owning them personally, creating the “oligarchs” we know and love today.

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      Tbh i don’t think there are any real “winners” from the cold war. Except maybe those who own defense, munitions, and oil companies/stocks.

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      fair enough. But you do agree that russia has been developing trump and played a significant role in putting him in power.

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    “the KGBs travel agency”

    sure jen

    it was the russian travel agency.

    this is like calling the weather channel “NSA’s weather channel”

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    NATO is pretty shit though at this point.

    Edit: I said what I said. The west is fucking lost. Everyone else is too, but NATO likes to act like their shit doesn’t stink.

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    Wouldn’t it be funny if he was secretly a socialist, and was just tearing apart the system from inside for the working class? A guy can dream.

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      It would be so comical if JDPON Don was real. All his actions would instantly be absolved. Well except for the rape and pedophilia…

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      People often compare MAGA to Maoism in terms of methods used, so there’s that.

      Attacks on intellectuals and academia, attempts to foster local manufacturing (that will turn out to be shit in quality), cult of personality, having some outsiders do the dirty job for you (Red Guards gangs compared to Elon and his minions), that were later dumped in somewhat Machiavellian fashion.

      So yeah, for now it looks like he picked out the worst parts of worst attempts to implement socialism.

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        Except for the part that he’s not actually implementing socialism.

        He is installing a faccistic kleptocracy.

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          AOTUS is everything I despise, but he didn’t install anything.

          The US has always been a fascist kleptocracy.

          Just because we are shit doesn’t mean we have to wallow in it. This administration is trying to force everyone to literally eat shit while smiling and saying you voted for it.

          It is straight up abusive. Like we are all in a dysfunctional relationship with a sociopath. There is no escape only more terror, we can’t leave. Psychological warfare on his own people.

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            Just because we are shit doesn’t mean we have to wallow in it

            I keep waiting to see some action to stop it.

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          That’s why I specified “methods” and “worst parts of worst attempts”.

          So there’s the irony of still existing Red Scare in US, and how building iron smelter in every backyard would probably sound like great idea for leadership, but free lunches in schools are socialism and therefore bad.