Which also means they stepped out of the way for the bigger one to win. Its quite privileged to not vote to minimize harm because you aren’t under siege
It is not on the people to go out of their way and vote for the duopoly.
It is on the politicians to motivate the people to vote for them. You do this by pushing for policy that people like and getting the word out.
Bernie Sanders was a pseudo-populist who was able to do this, but his push against the duopoly was very limited due to him being a career politician and not wanting to hurt his good friends Joe Biden’s or Hillary Clinton’s feelings.
I tried to keep it simple, but there is more to this when you get past the propaganda and the party loyalty.
RBN points out more in:
Chris Hedges Interview | Bernie Is a Careerist | Third Parties | Can’t Trust Democrats | Nick Cruse [27:07 | AUG 15 2025 | Revolutionary Blackout]
You’re not wrong in your grievance. Still you are very privileged in being able to abstain and give up all your ability to formally obstruct from federal to local levels.
Its easy to wait for a perfect candidate when your not being starved for food.
Who uses this kind of language when you are trying to get a point across…
It does the opposite of what you intend to do, which is to shepherd the working class back to the blue team.
This kind of language is not new, but the Blue Team does like to use it every time they lose, as excuses for not appealing to the working class with policies.
Blaming the voters is a sad and desperate excuse to use; we must do better than the status quo.
Incorrect. Trump is just as much of a Zionist as Biden. Israeli officials already revealed that the Biden admin never gave them any pushback whatsoever behind closed doors.
I’ve explained clearly before. If you can’t get a progressive in office or suitable third party you should vote for harm minimization; which is likely to be dem. There are more elections than just presidential. If you abstain your getting out of the way for the worst. That makes you a bad ally.
Given I haven’t put forth much of an opinion or really anything of substance here, you don’t actually know if I’m smug, ignorant, or an elitist - you’re just pulling insults out of your arse. In fact, you’re just parroting what I said in my last comment. You’re not even original.
According to your other comment, where you claim resorting to lazy insults means one has nothing, you admit to having nothing. Excellent self own, A++.
ROFLMAO. This bloke insults me in one comment, then takes the high ground criticizes me for being insulting in the next. I may not be the smartest or most well spoken, but at least I’m not a self-righteous hypocrite.
No I don’t. Corporate dems are still problematic and need to be replaced long term. Still the dem party is still the homeof our progressive movement and we should work to grow it. Voting for the candidates that minimise harm still gas material impact for Palestine and domestic vulnerable groups. Not everyone has a mamdami on their ballot. If you abstain your just letting your peers down and giving them less space to thrive and build local support groups. If you keep discouraging people from voting then your no different from the dems in the meme that keep the wheel from moving back left.
At least you’re admitting you supported genocide to maintain the status quo you enjoyed. No problem with Biden deporting 250% more people than Trump, because he did it quietly and with decorum!
Which also means they stepped out of the way for the bigger one to win. Its quite privileged to not vote to minimize harm because you aren’t under siege
I disagree.
It is not on the people to go out of their way and vote for the duopoly.
It is on the politicians to motivate the people to vote for them. You do this by pushing for policy that people like and getting the word out.
Bernie Sanders was a pseudo-populist who was able to do this, but his push against the duopoly was very limited due to him being a career politician and not wanting to hurt his good friends Joe Biden’s or Hillary Clinton’s feelings.
I tried to keep it simple, but there is more to this when you get past the propaganda and the party loyalty.
RBN points out more in:
Chris Hedges Interview | Bernie Is a Careerist | Third Parties | Can’t Trust Democrats | Nick Cruse [27:07 | AUG 15 2025 | Revolutionary Blackout]
https://lemmy.world/post/34545259
Hasan Piker Promotes DSA Zohran Mamdani | PMC Pushing Failed Tactics on Working Class | Nick Cruse [20:47 | AUG 19 2025 | Revolutionary Blackout]
https://lemmy.world/post/34703058
You’re not wrong in your grievance. Still you are very privileged in being able to abstain and give up all your ability to formally obstruct from federal to local levels.
Its easy to wait for a perfect candidate when your not being starved for food.
Who uses this kind of language when you are trying to get a point across…
It does the opposite of what you intend to do, which is to shepherd the working class back to the blue team.
This kind of language is not new, but the Blue Team does like to use it every time they lose, as excuses for not appealing to the working class with policies.
Blaming the voters is a sad and desperate excuse to use; we must do better than the status quo.
My point is clear.
Abstaining doesn’t get progressives in office either.
Yes, and I pointed out the only way to do it, instead of blaming others for their continued failed attempts.
For some it seems like it is on purpose so as to continue the divide and conquer strategy that is the duopoly.
This is such a ghoulish thing to say in support of the people doing it to Gaza
You’re not picking up a rifle or voting to minimize the aid to their foe; you’re not a serious ally.
Good to hear you don’t consider yourself a serious ally.
Check your privilege on being able to abstain.
Ah yes, that “not being Australian” privilege.
Says the guy with no actionable alternative.
How can I have an alternative when you haven’t presented an actionable course of action in the first place?
I have in other comments. Progressive where possible, even third party. Harm minimization anywhere else.
Incorrect. Trump is just as much of a Zionist as Biden. Israeli officials already revealed that the Biden admin never gave them any pushback whatsoever behind closed doors.
I’ve explained clearly before. If you can’t get a progressive in office or suitable third party you should vote for harm minimization; which is likely to be dem. There are more elections than just presidential. If you abstain your getting out of the way for the worst. That makes you a bad ally.
You’re a liberal. And a genocide supporter. I’m a socialist. You’re no ally of mine.
Here we have on display the smug, ignorant elitism that destroys political movements. Ignore this person for they are no one’s ally but themselves.
No, they’re just not your ally. And because you’re a smug, ignorant elitist, you assume they aren’t anyone else’s. But they are.
Given I haven’t put forth much of an opinion or really anything of substance here, you don’t actually know if I’m smug, ignorant, or an elitist - you’re just pulling insults out of your arse. In fact, you’re just parroting what I said in my last comment. You’re not even original.
According to your other comment, where you claim resorting to lazy insults means one has nothing, you admit to having nothing. Excellent self own, A++.
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You going to start stalking me around again, like you are banned for doing in the past?
What “movement” are they promoting? Reformist centrism is pretending to be a “movement” now? LoL. Nice try.
Progressive movement. I see myself as a socialist.
Doesn’t matter how you see yourself. Your actions are promoting capitalism.
I’ve not promoted capitalism.
I was going to say nice strawman, but yours is stupid and just lazy. You can’t even straw man right.
Then correct me, by all means. What movement?
Literally any movement. That’s why I didn’t specify one.
You know you have nothing when you’re reduced to lazy insults.
ROFLMAO. This bloke insults me in one comment, then takes the high ground criticizes me for being insulting in the next. I may not be the smartest or most well spoken, but at least I’m not a self-righteous hypocrite.
Well if not for me; do it for those towing a rifle in Palestine. They need as much respite as they can get.
You’re promoting a party that’s supporting their genocide. Fuck off, hasbara bot.
Oh that’s right, you’re a genocide denier when it comes to the Democrats role in Gaza
Can you quote where I said genocide was not happening?
So you don’t deny the Democrats participated in genocide?
No I don’t. Corporate dems are still problematic and need to be replaced long term. Still the dem party is still the homeof our progressive movement and we should work to grow it. Voting for the candidates that minimise harm still gas material impact for Palestine and domestic vulnerable groups. Not everyone has a mamdami on their ballot. If you abstain your just letting your peers down and giving them less space to thrive and build local support groups. If you keep discouraging people from voting then your no different from the dems in the meme that keep the wheel from moving back left.
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At least you’re admitting you supported genocide to maintain the status quo you enjoyed. No problem with Biden deporting 250% more people than Trump, because he did it quietly and with decorum!
So they were both fascists then, and apparently exterminating two million people is “effective politics” and “upholding the status quo”.
They know that, they’ve been told repeatedly in the past. They’re just a willful denialist when it comes to the Democrats role in genocide.
Probably a hasbara astroturf account.
Maybe, seems like just a BlueMAGA chud though.
What’s the difference?
Whether they still defend Israel and its genocide, or whether they suddenly stopped the moment Trump got elected.