• scott@lemmy.org
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    5 months ago

    If democrat politicians weren’t so shit it wouldn’t be so close in the first place

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      So true, the Democrats had a fucking easy ass win all lined up and threw it so hard. 1.6B in campaign funds and they ran on, “We are changing nothing, but at least we aren’t republicans.”

      Everyone below the upper middle class knows the government is not working for the people. People voted for trump because he ran on change. We know he is a liar and using politically uneducated people to push the right wing agenda, but the primary message of his campaign was what people wanted. And he won.

      3rd party/non-voters didn’t help, but the loss is primarily on the Democrats.

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        we need to be honest with ourselves.

        Being angry at republicans for blowing up the government is reasonable.

        It’s also reasonable to be angry at the democrats, who sat around watching them work towards blowing up the government for fifty years and being like “hurrdurr FAIRNESS!” while doing nothing to stop it.

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            Yup.

            I’m just reacting to all the “it’s the voter’s fault”- not you, really.

            Like, No. the democrats haven’t done anything to stop this. Even when they literally campaigned on it.

            Don’t blame voters.

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        I remember having arguments with these Blue MAGA muppets during the election. I kept trying to explain to them why it was insanity to pretend the economy was fine. But they were morons with a 1984 streak that would make Orwell blush, and thought they could just manifest their way to an election victory. They kept citing CPI data, saying, “but inflation adjusted wages have never been higher!” When you pointed out that inflation purposefully leaves out a lot of the volatility in prices people were reeling from, and how not all income groups experience inflation equally? They didn’t want to hear it.

        Remember the absolutely insulting, just disgustingly condescending term “vibession?” I do. That term alone probably cost Kamala the election. The only thing that makes people angrier than having to deal with a rotten economy is to have their leaders gaslight them and pretend nothing is wrong.

        These morons didn’t want to hear it. They have a three monkeys belief system. Just ignore all problems, pretend everything is fine, and just try to bluff your way to victory on election day. You point out the suicidally stupid policies that were killing the Kamala campaign, and they just acted like three year olds saying, “harumf, I guess you want Trump to win!”

        This is exactly what people are referring to when they describe liberal arrogance. Criticism is unacceptable. Shut up and tow the line. Vote Blue No Matter Who (unless there’s a progressive on the ticket.)

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            If you don’t realize MAGA can be blue, then you are likely blue MAGA. At the heart of MAGA is a rejection of reality, a willingness to embrace magical thinking over objective facts, and a loyalty to the party leaders at all cost. Trying to manifest their way to an election victory, gaslighting the electorate by claiming the economy was fine, and lying through their teeth about Biden’s condition? That is textbook MAGA behavior. Biden’s people might as well have been up there claiming he aced an intelligence exam like Trump’s people are always doing.

            Anyone who can’t grok the concept of blue MAGA, or think that the blue team is immune to this intellectual sickness…is a fucking moron.

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      5 months ago

      Good thing the republican ones are so much better, them being in power, right?

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        5 months ago

        You’re right. Republicans are awful. Trump is awful. The Republicans handed the election to Democrats on a silver platter, and the DNC still managed to fuck it up.

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          The election was drastically skewed to the right due to tiktok and youtube propoganda.thats whT created the entire move,ent to stay home to protest Gaza. Proor to 6 months before the election, I didnt heard Jack ahit about Gaza.

          If we’re ever going to fix our elections, we need to do something about influencer astrofurfing. Influencer need regulation and to be held responsible for the ahit they spew.

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              I had to re-read their comment because this confused me… They said nothing about the president, or handing them more power? It almost reads like you replied to the wrong comment.

              Why does this comment have 5 points atm? Who upvotes this?

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            Sounds like the Democrats absolutely fucked themselves if they made millions of voters decide to sit the election out. They told voters they weren’t going to change anything, so those voters saw no point in voting

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              “Blue Circus wasn’t entertaining enough, so letting minorities get murdered is aktshually a completely legitimate choice beyond criticism, shitlib!”

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                That’s how elections work. People see their material conditions degrade and watch the powers that be do nothing, so they vote against those powers or decide that elections are a farce.

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                  “It’s okay to let minorities be murdered if Blue Circus was REALLY unentertaining”

                  Fuck’s sake, you don’t even both denying it. You have fun with simping for the aestheticization of politics, one of the core components of literal fascism. It goes well with your full-throated support of Nazis taking power.

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        5 months ago

        I cast my vote and played your stupid game. What have you done besides lick blue boot?

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    5 months ago

    this yet again, still seething.

    democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead

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    I too like punching down at people with no power. It would be too much for democratic leadership to learn the lessons of 2016 and 2024. Just blame progressives and people who want better things!

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    Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.

    I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.

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      True, but I also read that the non voters were also about evenly split, it’s not like only the anti trump people stayed home.

      He just had the popular advantage, mostly an indictment of the then status quo rather than an endorsement of Trump or indictment of Biden.

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    This community is still in denial from last year I see, I guess none of you braindeads learned your lesson huh

    Even funnier now that the DNC approved candidate is running as a 3rd party in NYC after losing his own primary. Suddenly no issue voting for an independent candidate there.

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      • Many core issues were addressed, from climate change to women’s rights and LGBTQ+ rights, to concerns over economy (which were improving and have since been downgraded).

      • Opponent was objectively worse in Every. Single. Conceivable way. It is after all, a binary choice.

      • Uncommitted fucked off entirely on their, absent of any comparative logic.

      The biggest thing that comes out of reading threads like this is the erosion of my original belief that I thought the uncommitted were at least smarter and strategic and and more empathetic and more aware of FPTP voting. There is one big reason why Trump won: People were duped by endless amounts of billionaire’s money, seeing Trump at his best and Harris at her worst. I thought folks like you were above that; but alas, you drank the kool-aid just the same.

      Edit: For the record, I think massive change in the Democratic party must come. That is not an easy task, but it’s the easiest path.