In its new draft for combating child abuse online, the EU is abandoning chat control. Instead: risk assessments and voluntary measures
headline is misleading - this is the same rewritten suggestion that includes survelliance agency.
kan den jævla dansken drite i snart.
I only know one Swedish word, and it is actually useful right now:
danskjävlar!
Can we agree that reporting around chat control is totally broken? I’ve read so many articles about “ChatControl is coming” , “ChatControl has been defeated”, “ChatControl is back” and now “EU is backing away from ChatControl” that it actually is confusing what is going on. It should be possible to give an overview about an EU legislative process without confusing everybody?
Current status: They don’t do it mandatory, which actually doesn’t mean, that the users have the choice in their hands, if the provider wants to do it voluntarily. If Whatsapp wants to scan everything, they’ll be allowed to.
So, this is probably the best time to start using Threema oder Signal, because they already announced that they would stop business in EU if Chat Control actually gets pushed through, which is trustworthy in my opinion.
Also interesting: https://netzpolitik.org/2025/interne-dokumente-eu-staaten-einigen-sich-auf-freiwillige-chatkontrolle/
However, the compromise proposal that was formulated was contradictory. It had deleted the article on mandatory chat monitoring. However, another article stated that services should also implement voluntary measures.
Several states asked whether this wording “could lead to a de facto obligation.” The Legal Services agreed: “The wording could be interpreted in both ways.” The Council Presidency “made it clear that the text only contained an obligation to reduce risk, but not an obligation to disclose.”
The day after the meeting, the Council Presidency sent out what is likely to be the final draft of the Council’s legislation. It explicitly states: “Nothing in this Regulation shall be interpreted as imposing disclosure obligations on providers.”
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But I feel, this is not the end, like always.
I feel less alone now
Don’t get fooled. It’s not over yet.
They probably just take a break, because people start forgetting pretty quickly. Then they’ll attack again and win this time.
The pressure must remain high on this one.
… for now.
Not even for now. It’s totally the opposite, this very Chat Control vote was to push it forward: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/reality-check-eu-council-chat-control-vote-is-not-a-retreat-but-a-green-light-for-indiscriminate-mass-surveillance-and-the-end-of-right-to-communicate-anonymously/
Yip. No rest for the “wicked”. This was a leaked story about the new draft, iiuc. It’s final implementation will still need scrutinising.
Good. Can we now block Denmark from submitting this with a slightly different wording all over again for the next… I don‘t know… 10 years or so? It‘s just trolling at this point.
is there a list of the main idiots working on this somewhere so we can tell them to fuck off?
Sorry to tell you but if you believe that headline you are the main idiot here.
That’s the opposite of “backing away from chat control” but the base for creating a whole mass surveilance infrastructure now. Then they just wait for a pretext or for a big enough distraction…
The guy above did imply the contrary, and vouched for a way to prevent it. In other words, you’re the idiot for answering the wrong message.
Until the “voluntary” measures aren’t voluntary anymore. Nobody is backing away from anything.
Recently it feels like the news on this are flipping each week.
EU wants chat control.
EU does not want chat control.
EU want chat control (again).
EU backs awax from chat control (for now).I have lost track.
No, you don’t have lost track. You are simply reading actual articles and propaganda.
This -for example- is the latter. No, that decision is not the EU backing away from chat control but quite the opposite. They have build the foundation for creating mass surveilance infrastructure without the courts shutting them down as usual because it’s voluntary. Up to the moment there is a reasonable big distraction or some neat pretext and it suddenly isn’t voluntary anymore and fully running just the next day.
I have lost track.
That’s the point. Don’t let them.
It’s almost like the EU is not a homogeneous bloc…
It was and it is. But make no mistake it was due to the critics and imo petitions that it didn’t pass. Some memberstates like Spain and Hungary wanted it very strongly.
Another solution is to create a tier of curated content that is only available for kids as opposed to full access to the whole uncensored internet.
Parents would setup the access level for devices since they obviously know their kids age and maturity level. Parents would be held accountable and in control of what their kids are able to access and therefore filter the internet.
As opposed to censoring the whole of internet reality by forcing every developer and adult to prove their age and identity. There would be no reason for children to be allowed on chat apps at all that are not fully monitored by their PARENTS as opposed to by the government.
Too late. I switched to Runbox last week. Norway != EU
We did it chat
