What’s AMPHIFA?
amphibian antifa?
Oooooooh!
My uneducated guess:
“ANTIFA is designated as terrorists or something now but…this is an entirely different group and we ALSO are sick of your crap!” Lol
The funniest part is that labeling antifa a terrorist orgnaization is like labeling leaves the best purple. It isnt an organization or group. They know that though.
but purple leafs is the best leafs… got grapes?
It could be Amphibians Fighting Authoritarianism.
It started with the Portland frogs
It should just say “Trump bombed Venezuela”, nothing else.
Who cares if he had the authority or not.
What matters is that the people of Venezuela did not consent to his imperialistic actions. Not whether he has authority to make imperialistic actions.
Who cares if he had the authority or not.
Democrats, mostly. If he’d just received permission in advance (a comically easy feat in this pro-war legislature) he could have straight up leveled Caracas and all we’d be reading in the news are “Why Venezuelans deserved it” Op-Eds.
What matters is that the people of Venezuela did not consent to his imperialistic actions.
I gotta disagree. They’re already greeting us as liberators. I’ve received dozens of AI generated videos of Venezuelans clapping and cheering and waving “Give Trump The Nobel Peace Prize Now” banners over freeways full of cars painted like American flags.
If another country kidnapped Trump for his rape of minors, because it’s illegal in the other country, Americans would be celebrating too. But that doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. Another country has no rights to interfere in America.
I’d argue America has shown it’s the one country that other countries do have a right to interfere with. After ~70 years of being the drunken, overconfident, asshole that’s ruining the experience for everyone at the bar because we’ve decided we’re the bouncer. On some level we’ve kinda made ourselves everyone’s problem.
It’s not a perfect analogy, because in a bar everyone else could just leave, and that’s not an option when you’re sharing a planet.
If another country kidnapped Trump
It would imply a seismic shift in the military capacity of the United States. We’d be looking at a country whose dozen-odd aircraft carriers and legions of armored cavalry and massive panopticon of intelligence gathering had fully failed to prevent the most high profile security disaster since 9/11.
Americans would be celebrating too
Liberals would be celebrating quietly while they made big frowny faces about the deplorable state of national security publicly. Conservatives would be frothing with rage and threatening to nuke half a dozen major metropolitan areas. JD Vance would be dick deep in a celebratory couch cushion in between photo-ops where he demanded bloody-fisted retribution.
Another country has no rights to interfere in America.
There’s no such thing as “rights” with regard to national sovereignty. Only Might Makes Right. The people of the various states can defend themselves and one another via an international commitment to mutual aid. Or nationalist kingpins can build up military fiefs and raid one another’s exposed flanks as opportunity presents. But the idea that any given national leadership is above intervention has never been true.
If anything, its the opposite of true. Country leaders appear to have a prerogative to engage one another - diplomatically or militarily - in pursuit of foreign policy aims. Had Venezuelans been as active in bribing and extorting American politicians as the Saudis or the Israelis, I suspect they’d be in a lot better of a position than they are today.
Is there another country that we can pay to do this? Is there another one that we can encourage to do this? Because I’m pretty sure the majority of Americans are all for this.
It also ignores that he clearly did the authority to do it, by virtue of having done it and not being stopped.
Don’t go giving states the authority to do things, and they won’t have any authority to do things.
Authority doesn’t make an act correct.
The people of Venezuela didn’t consent to Maduro ruling over them either.
Only 32% of American voters consented to Trump ruling over them.
And that’s about 98% too many after seeing his first stint.
36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. So 68% of Americans either wanted Trump or didn’t really care.
Absurd false equivalency.
Yes. Both what I say and you say can be true at once.
Reactionary Venezuelan political parties will run on a platform of “Kill all the native peoples and sell our national assets for pennies on the dollar to a foreign oil company”, lose outside of a few major petrochemical enclaves, and then complain the election was stolen.
Why do American liberals think J6 is cool in every other country but their own?
What are you talking about? Maduro is the Trump of Venezuela, rigging elections and preventing opponents from running, like the most recent Nobel Prize winner. Just because Trump is against someone doesn’t automatically make that person the complete opposite of Trump.
Both Trump and Maduro are gangsters. Gangsters often take out other gangsters so they can take control of their territory. When you see a mafia hit do you automatically assume the guy that got whacked must have been anti-mafia LOL?
Maduro is the Trump of Venezuela
I remember when liberals were claiming Bernie Sanders was the Trump of the Democratic Party.
Democratic leaders are calling the bombing and kidnapping wreckless acts, not illegal acts. Schumer has never said or even strongly wrote the word “illegal.”
Democratic leadership is okay with this illegal war and will do everything it can to legitimize it. Schumer is aligned with trumps oil and imperialist goals
Under US law it’s probably not illegal given the way trump has framed it, hence why they’re not saying it was. It would be too easy to dismiss their criticism if they got such a basic technicality wrong. Side note but I don’t know of a relevant international law or treaty preventing this situation either, prior to the orange jackass this wasn’t something people considered a concern.
This is the classic Trump playbook. He looks at shit people wouldn’t think of doing since most people are decent human beings and then exploits it.
If he was a basketball coach he’d send his team out with baseball bats because technically there is no written out rule you can’t bring in bats onto the court…
It’s how he’s manage to dismantle so much of our society and decorum.
He’s just cancer in human form.
“Ain’t no rules says a pedophile can’t play basketball”
It only violates international law, which America is immune from.
Well that orange Nazi violates American law and wipes his fat orange ass with the constitution on a regular basis, so this tracks
Nigel Farage of all people called it illegal, while simultaneously praising it. This timeline sucks.
Can whatever this is even be called a war?
Damn that’s one scary toad-rrorist
A massive protest, I see.
Here’s the photographer’s Flickr account, you can see the protest was in fact quite well attended.
Misread that as “passive”.
It’s just a little war, not the release of a new iphone.
They’ll protest properly about it in about 4ish months. That’s the usual time it takes them to get moving on their protests.
To be fair though it’s very difficult in this day and age of instant communication to contact people to get things moving. And it’s definitely not complacency and apathy, oh no. No no no, deffo not that!!
Huh, turns out if you look into what’s happening it’s actually a pretty large protest. Capital cops even broke out the protest barricades. Bit of a moot point of course, since trump (edit: and vance?) are at his resort right now, but it’s still not a bad turnout for “people literally woke up that morning and found out they needed to protest later that day”.
Whoda thunk it.
Even got some pretty nice looking signs printed out for it.
I am actually quite surprised. Nice one.
I am actually quite surprised.
Who knew stereotypes were often wrong.
Edit:
I get it sucks to be wrong about things on the internet, but this seems like a poor reaction to being shown that your preconceptions aren’t accurate.
Well they don’t have the backroom organization to pay for transportation of protesters from all corners of the country to DC.
Unlike the bunch of treasonous fucktard mouth breathers for J6
Which protest are you helping to organize? Or are you good with what’s going on?
Ha, I’m doing fuck all. I don’t live in or near america. Nor have I ever wanted to.
You can get all indignant about me saying that americans are lazy all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that the protests about the fat paedo taking over that country and breaking numerous laws all whilst protecting his chummy fellow paedos are mostly lacklustre.
And that’s if I’m being polite. If I’m being impolite then they are shite.That’s ok. You can still donate to Indivisible or Run For Something! They do great work helping to organize progressive candidates and issues.
are you poor?
Russia invades Ukraine. USSA invades Venezuela. China invades Taiwan?
This is like the end of “The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly”. It looks like the rule of law is losing bigly and the rule of force will be our future going forward unless it all gets burned to the ground in a nuclear frenzy. Fuck these deranged power brokers.
One of the three things you mentioned only happened in your head, though
You mean the one with the question mark?
As antifa allegedly has strayed into terrorism, and Amphifa seems a little niche, maybe it’s time for AnTrumfa?
The label applied is more important than it should be. To that end I’ve been advocating claiming the term “pro trump” to describe antifa. Something like “Yeah I’m pro Trump. Pro Trump being in prison” or suchlike. Just throw them off their stride a bit or something, would be nice to see their bullshit social media manipulation used against them.
Remember my friends, it’s not Trump that did it, it is the US.
Trump’s fat ass didn’t do anything to Venezuela. Soldiers followed his orders. Nothing would have happened if not for the goons doing all the illegal work for him.
Yes? But also, he did order it.
I think the downvoted are because we don’t know what you’re trying to say.
People downvote things that they don’t understand? Is this common behavior on Lemmy?
(Just asking because I often don’t understand downvotes on Lemmy)
Seems to function mostly as a like/dislike button combined with whether a post/comment should be more/less popular.
What I meant here is that the commenter seemed to be implying we should only focus on the soldiers who carried out the order.
Liberals, please stop with leading with the legal minutiae. Stop pretending that you would’ve been fine with this if only Trump had congressional approval. You know it’s just about oil and imperialism. Trump literally spelt it out for you. Stop censoring yourself because you think its “strategic”. Its not.
Saying “Trump did X and broke the law doing it” is not the same thing as saying “This would be fine if Trump had done it through legal channels”.
I literally said I know you oppose the action. Put that on the sign, its the most important thing.
Maybe we’re reading things differently, but I thought their sign implied that fairly strongly, just that they wanted to tack “Trump is a criminal” onto that without drastically increasing the wording.
Maybe that’s what they intended but I’ve noticed a trend of liberals immediately triangulating themselves into this “least-controversial” legalistic take because they don’t want to talk about Maduro. A stalinist waving a PSUV flag is more helpful at that point.
I’m not accusing you in particular of this or OP for that matter.
Quit calling people you don’t know liberals. That’s a trend that needs to stop, comrade. Most of the people you say that shit to are on our side, they just don’t put the terms and thoughts together.
Also, go complain to the protestors, or better yet, be at the protests.
If you want real change, quit nitpicking people on lemmy.
Yup, it’s divide and conquer technique… Same with boomers… lumping everyone over 45 into the boomer category, divide this again.
They’ve done it with race, they’ve done it with politics, they’ve done it with age and sexual orientation.
Now they’re working on male vs female… Toxic, masculinity trad wife.
Its a class war 99 against 1 percent
Isn’t everyone on this site a liberal though? I don’t think I’ve seen a single conservative on here.
This is part of the reason I told him to stop.
I’ll let you Google the definitions of things like liberal, neo-liberal, conservatism, etc. to boil it it down, they are mostly considered “right” ideologies based on capitalism and aren’t that far apart in a global context.
In American lexicon, yes liberal is left and conservative is right.
Edit: there are conservatives here. Not a lot but they have their own spaces.
Most people on most instances here I’ve encountered appear to be leftist more than liberal.
Maybe when conservatives stop playing “gotcha” games - attacking the absolute slightest imperfection in any liberal’s argument, all the while completely ignoring/blowing off the constant flat out blatant lies and lies of omission made by their so-called “leaders,” Maybe.
Why are you playing by conservative gotcha games then? Just say what you believe and say it as loud as you can. It is indeed a shouting match, not a debate.
I prefer honest communication. Without that, there’s no point in saying/shouting anything at all. I prefer to waste my time in more satisfying ways.
Protests are shouting matches. We’re not talking about general discussion. Do you censor yourself in general discussion because conservatives play gotcha games with you? How is that honest communication?
Protests can (and admittedly often do) devolve into shouting matches, but not necessarily. As I’ve aged I’ve reached the understanding that those never accomplish anything positive or useful. As such, I rarely bother anymore - if I go to a protest, I’m there simply to be counted as one of the (hopefully) many on that side of things. I do my best not to allow myself to be baited because it’s just so pointless.
Do I censor myself? Maybe - if you consider choosing not to bother arguing a point because it seems likely that they’re not going to engage in good faith to be self-censoring. Otherwise, not really - I do try to consider my words carefully because there can be a LOT of logical steps to an argument that I don’t normally consciously think about as I likely reached my stance a LONG time ago and all that immediately comes to mind is my final conclusion.
My life involved significant patches of effective solitude, and so I never really had to learn to argue my perspectives until I was old/mature enough to understand the importance of politics. Up until then, my thought processes were solely focused on determining the end result - the important things to remember. All the steps that got me to a final answer weren’t important enough to bother trying to remember because I usually didn’t need to recall them very often.
Unfortunately, politics is ALL about arguing those individual steps before the final conclusion I reached, but my brain wasn’t trained during my lifetime to work that way - so I have to think out what I’m saying each time. It’s why I prefer this text-based type of social site - I can’t think on the spot quickly enough to do video, for example.
So if you consider that to be self-censorship, well I disagree. I consider it making sure I’m communicating what I intend to effectively so that the conversation doesn’t get derailed too easily.
Fuck your congressional approval. Get a UN resolution. Nothing liberal about following international law.
Lmao international law and the UN was literally a Liberal Invention.
If even they had UN approval the US shouldnt invade Venezuela.
What matters first and foremost is the will of the people actually living in the country.
Never stop pearl clutching when a bully does bully shit. More pink frogs holding signs about things they built their identity around not caring about plz
If Trump felt beholden to congress, he would not have gotten approval. He would have had to spend years spreading propaganda and trying to build up a case, like Bush did. All that effort might have prevented him from doing it at all.
More importantly, doing this is trying to peel off people who might waver because Maduro is unsympathetic. It highlights that yes, this is a dictatorship in the making.
If Trump felt beholden to congress, he would not have gotten approval. He would have had to spend years spreading propaganda and trying to build up a case, like Bush did. All that effort might have prevented him from doing it at all.
Didn’t stop Bush did it?
More importantly, doing this is trying to peel off people who might waver because Maduro is unsympathetic
Saddam was even less sympathetic but the Iraq war was still wrong. Most of the US understands that. It’s bipartisan amongst the populace at this point. Call it Jungle Iraq. Your son is going to die for oil… again. That’ll alarm people way more than the bazillionth instance of presidential over-reach.
Bush had the “advantage” of 9/11 happening during his first year in office, shocking what was at the time still mostly a relatively sane country (compared to today). We were (theoretically) attacked first, so that gave DUHbya all sorts of popular support for a response in kind. Not the case here.
You’re right regarding what people will actually care about, tho.
Exactly yes.
