Nah, we’re still light years away from class consciousness given how much stupid shit the self-proclaimed “class conscious” people write and who they support.
Are you referring to democratic socialists who try to work within the law (like Bernie and Mamdani)?
There is no such thing as middle class, you’re either in the capitalist class or working class.
It’s not either or. If you have a retirement fund then you are also a capitalist.
No I do not work. I use to work so guess I graduated to Capitalist?
So you want to change the name of ideology, that postulates free market relations as important part of human freedoms? Fine, it can be Classic Liberalism if you want.
Is the free market that enables human freedoms in the room with us now?
Free market IS human freedom.
You sound like one of the Disco Elysium characters who sit on the edge of the screen and repeat slogans
Have you ever checked if the market was free?
i dont see why even communism would mean there are no free markets: in the most basic definitiv communism is (economically) a system in which the working people control the means of production. this could e.g. be achieved if all companies were work coops - thus workers controlled the companies and therefore the means of production if we dont change anything else there will still be a free market
Uh-huh. How do we define means of production? Can I come to your home and take your PC? I mean that’s means of productions alright. So it shouldn’t be privatized, and thus, traded.
(are we seriously discussing communism supporting free market? are we seriously considering communism as a sane ideology? what next, try nazism, because real nazism was never tried?)
The means of production are the tools, machinery, factories, land, etc., required to make goods. In ye olden times artisans/tradesmen/farmers would own their own tools (i.e., means to produce goods). However, since the industrial revolution, the craftsman have been put out of business. They cannot compete with machine production. So this is where we need to make the distinction between personal and private property.
Personal property are things you own for your individual use. Your house, clothes, toothbrush, etc. Private property is means of production used to make a profit for the person who invested (i.e., capitalist). Communism seeks to put the workers in charge of the workforce (i.e., workplace democracy). It also aims to abolish class, private property, the need for money/wages, and ultimately the state itself.
what next, try nazism, because real nazism was never tried
This is a poor comparison. The communists want to erase hierarchies of class, race, gender, etc., whereas the Nazis wanted to reinforce them. Need I remind you that the communist killed millions of Nazis in WW2?
Communists killed millions without any wars.
PCs are needed to create lots of different goods. Where do we put them? The classification is vague.
you never managed to tell me how the free market was under attack if all companies were worker coops
lmao OP thinks this is some kind of eye opening epiphany or something. Workers know they’re workers, what they need is the realization who represents them and who is the enemy.
You can be both a capitalist and a worker…
Not only that, but being a capitalist doesn’t necessarily you’re giga rich, it just means you think favorably of capitalism as an economic system.
it just means you think favorably…
By that logic, a literal slave could be a capitalist so long as they believe in the efficacy and morality of capitalism.
That doesn’t even track the layperson usage of “capitalist”.edit: Apparently this last claim is false.
It’s as if words can have more than one meaning
what’s wrong with being a worker? Who is this post making fun about?
This post is not making fun of workers. Too often we see workers identify with rich capitalists and see their own lack of capital as a personal failing. But once we recognize the difference between the two classes we can dispel ourselves of that notion.
Members of the working class sell their labor in order to gain money and buy the necessities of life. The ruling class buys labor in order to see a profit on the money they already have. Since capitalism compels the capitalist to make a profit, they must pay the worker a fraction of the value that the worker creates. (The business owner wants to stay in business and the shareholders demand every-increasing value.) Hence we should not consider ourselves capitalists: we are workers who are being exploited, as necessitated by the system.
Why can’t you be a worker and a capitalist?
Buying work also has some risk. Everyone gets their cut, you’re only exploited if the revenue is really unbalanced
People thinking they’re capitalists.
I mean, is “worker” considered a bad word?
By people who consider themselves upper class, yes
This makes more sense, thanks
So the post assumes only rich people are for capitalism?
