• TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip
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      Oh no, killing them? That’s much worse than torturing them until we kill them!! Think of all the needless suffering we would miss out on! Oh no. We better make sure not to fire the “turn the entire world vegan in an instant” Ray.

    • MolochHorridus@piefed.social
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      More farm animals are slaughtered every year in current system than would be killed if all currently living farm animals were slaughtered all at once.

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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        https://considerveganism.com/counter/

        Not even just land animals (although that’s 100% true). Life-for-life, land animals would be exceeded by wild-caught fish (conservatively) in a matter of days if literally the entire world went vegan in a microsecond and literally every farmed land animal on Earth were slaughtered at the same instant. Humans arguably couldn’t even practicably keep up the worldwide mass-slaughter pace just compared to wild-caught animals within this ridiculous anti-vegan fever dream.


        Edit: Say there are 30 billion land animals as livestock. Assume on the very low end that 1 trillion wild fishes are caught every year. This would mean you’d be killing 1/33 of the annual wild fish catch in a microsecond and that it’d take you about 12 days to, life-for-life, exceed the instantly killed entire land livestock population from wild-caught fishes alone. As icing on the cake: “We estimate that 124 billion farmed fishes were killed for food in 2019.”, so contract that down to less than 10 days if you count fish overall.

      • toomanypancakes@piefed.world
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        There’s no valid explanation, it’s just someone thinking everyone will have to go vegan simultaneously so the only option will be to mass genocide farm animals, as if that wasn’t already the plan.

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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        They can’t. It makes no fucking sense; anti-vegans are as braindead and obsessed as they like to project onto vegans.

      • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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        Most animals raised for meat have been undergone breeding by humans to increase desirable traits at the expense of survivability in nature. Those animals are unlikely to survive in nature.

        Even if they could, it would wreck local ecosystems if all meat livestock was freed to nature.

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          a) What does that have to do with Del Monte’s closure? The fact that animals who were by definition going to be killed could be killed if the meat industry suddenly collapses?

          b) Even if it were relevant: “and?” “Oh no, it suddenly matters that the animals who were going to be tortured and killed for food will be killed sooner (because it no longer selfishly serves me). Look what you made me do, you evil vegoons!”

          “Why are you trying to stop the dog fighting ring? Don’t you know that most of the dogs would have to be put down because they’re too violent to be adopted? Wow, you’re a sick fuck.”

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              Okay, entirely fair. I’d believed you were, by not pushing back, not just explaining it but justifying it as a talking point, but I see I was mistaken.

    • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
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      Wut?

      Those animals were sentenced to death the moment they were forced into existence. The actual goal is to stop reproducing them.

    • als@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      This a product of corporations owning the rights to certain species, not at all realted to people not wanting to kill animals for their pleasure.