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  • I’m not sure how we shoehorned “China Bad” into the discussion.

    I’m not, but you’ve identified a a thing as American without looking at how the rest of the world operates and how some practices may be an international standard or at least more uniform than just one country. I didn’t say “China bad”, I brought up that China performs the a similar filtering of students; you applied the label that I was saying “China bad”.

    It sounds like you’re angry at the American system, a system you know, and think other systems must be better without understanding how other secondary education systems work. Other countries may do some things than the USA, but a lot of the basic structure that you complained out is more universal than you think.




  • Even then, career tracking absolutely can and does take on a segregationist character when the wages of the labor make access to certain career paths a purchasable privilege.

    And yet it appears in most countries, including Communist ones like China. This isn’t a uniquely American action.

    That’s how you get all the Eton College grads going into politics and journalism as a single congealed cohort.

    That’s more due to family connections. Most UK students taking their A-Levels aren’t going into politics and journalism.

    And that’s created a rich vein of for-profit schools that exist above the High School grade, which people are obligated to assume debts to attend in order to be accredited for certain jobs.

    The USA still has one of the best public university systems in the world. This includes community college programs which help “lower” track students get a 4 year college degree.

    And, going back to what I’ve said earlier, other countries have degree restrictions on their jobs as well. Senior government positions in other countries are usually the domain of the college educated, with a much lower percentage of their populations having a college degree.

    You keep pointing to things happening in the USA as a uniquely American set-up and therefore evil without being able to contrast that with his the rest of the world handles secondary education.


  • I would disagree. A lot of countries provide a multi track secondary education too account for the desire and ability of different students. Having different education tracks isn’t just American invention. It just happens to be that there is an easier jump from the lower education track to college in the USA compared to other countries.





  • As second hand story from someone who lived in a Mafia controlled part of New York City, the neighborhood that he lived in was a poor working class neighborhood. Yet, each storefront had full glass pane windows while the other neighborhoods nearby had bars on their windows.

    The Mafia have an interest in protecting those “under their protection”. This would also spoil over into charity. The Mafia would generally be charitable to those within their neighborhoods to buy off complicity of the locals. For instance, you may not turn someone in if that person is running a soup kitchen in the community.