Henry Cuellar, Donald Davis, Cleo Fields, Laura Gillen, Vicente Gonzalez, Marcy Kaptur, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, and Eugene Vindman
What a fucking ridiculous priority.
Let’s just imagine for a minute that transgenderism is some kind of problem to prevent. It isn’t, and what a reprehensible concept, but let’s just imagine we are all dipshits and believe that for some reason.
Its 1% of people. Maybe a little bit more undisclosed. OH MY GOD CHANGE THE LAWS AND PUNISH THEM FOR BEING.
What a stupid country full of morons.
It’s what can pass. Like water downhill, it goes through the path of least resistance. None of us actually know how much legislation is being attempted at any given time. We just see what passes that the media decided to inform us of.
This is the result of stupidity from the top down. Actually, the maliciousness of the stupidity is why I use the word moron. Any decency and reason is not required for the best of you (assuming you are American), and so you cannot avoid a worsening situation unless radical action is taken to stop it.
Take that for what you will. I see a country that accepts the violence that is being perpetrated against it from its rulers. A population of battered wives that make excuses for the abuse to continue.
I say this as a person that does not currently live under the fear of someone kicking in my door at 3am and putting a gun in my face. I like to think I can do better, but maybe I’m full of shit.
Democrats are controlled opposition that roll over for Republicans. Been that way my entire life. Democrats support the Republican party and their concentration camps and have no problem othering trans people so they can join the brown people and dissidents already captured by their masters.
How long until they throw you under the bus as well?
Democrats are liberals, they are just doing what liberals do. They will side with whoever is strongest sounding to keep their positions and roles, however it always backfires and ends up with them being the scapegoat.
8 out of the 215 voted for it and to you that means the entire 215 is “controlled opposition”?
And those other 207 democrats have denounced them, and the DNC leadership has decided to defund their future campaigns then?
Sometimes Dems and Reps will figure out how many are safe to break ranks and vote on an issue to kill/pass it so that a safe few get the blame rather than the entire party. I don’t subscribe to the common view that Dems and Reps are essentially a uniparty but they do move similarly often.
Centrists blame voters for less.
Welcome to the rotating villain strategy. First time?
I mean, Glazenkampf Perez is just a villain, period…
So let’s start a progressive party!
Oh, you’re not going to? Then stop generalizing the dems and start primarying the fascists.
It’s easier to get progressives into the current party structure than to start a new party.
Fun fact: the results of primary elections aren’t binding. The DNC can pick whoever they want, regardless of vote count, with no repercussions.
Totally! Which is shit. We can still get progressive candidates in as has been shown, and gradually change the party though. Do as much as possible and fight against them "Bernie"ing the progressive candidates.
Comments that sow disinterest and apathy create worse problems than fighting for change though.
I’m wary of calls for incremental change since too often there is no change or rapid change for the worse.
Lol I just you’re the same person I commented this fact to last time. Definitely agree, you have the right idea. Sorry I can’t help but grateful I’m in a different country with entirely different issues. Wishing you all the best!
That makes sense.
I believe in a majority of my posts debating the “both sides” comments I’m arguing that changing the Dems to a progressive party is more manageable than standing up a third party in the USA.
I know the primaries are shaky due to the DNC leadership, but I haven’t changed my belief that it can be changed. Thanks for the well wishes. I’m just frustrated with the solution-less complaining.
I’m really glad you can put words into my mouth so you had something to argue against lol. Loser behavior, but I expect nothing less from those that choose to be livestock.
I think you might have mistaken what they wrote there.
You’re both on the same side, find enemies to fight :)
What words did I put into your mouth? You’re complaining on a forum and generalizing a group. Now I’m complaining about your complaint.
Then you called me a loser because you’d rather do that than admit you’re doing nothing to help the situation.
You literally asked a question then answered it for them. Thats the definition of putting words in their mouth.
You’re right, I asked a rhetorical question to make a point.
So why the denial then?
Because most people know what a rhetorical question is?
I’ve probably done more than most to help the situation. By chance have you organized with your neighbors yet in case ICE shows up on your street? Because I have.
Have you knocked on doors for candidates you believe in? Because I have.
Have you lost anyone to the concentration camps in your family? BECAUSE I HAVE.
So listen here, livestock, I’ve probably done more in the last 2 years, than you have done in your entire life, especially considering the quality of your posts.
You want to make a better world, go organize with your neighbors. Do that first, and then you’ll have some merit in my eyes. Better than simping for controlled opposition that will throw you under the bus when it’s politically convenient.
In my initial post I asked about standing up a new party?
I have organized with my neighbors.
I’m lucky, I haven’t had any of my Mexican family abducted. I’m sorry that you have.
I have done local actions to support local progressives.
I’m shocked that you are making comments that cause disinterest in people participating in politics while also claiming to canvas for your local politicians though.
I believe that pushing for local progressives is the best path forward to fixing the Dem party. I HATE people pushing complaints and generalizations like the Dems have the same hard line that the GOP does.
You have no merit to me either. You jump to name calling very quickly. You make a lot of claims and provide no solutions.
I’m not simping for the Dems. But I’m also not going to play games and act like ignoring them will help when it’s more helpful to convert them to progressives
What you’re shocked at is that I see the Democratic Party for what they are, and am willing to still work on their behalf IRL because no other viable solution exists within the current structure of our government. I also don’t believe voting will actually help us anymore inside the current structure, because I believe a bullet box is needed more than a ballot box right now.
However I take every avenue available for a better life for myself and others, even when I don’t believe it to be THE solution. Nor does this change the fact the the Democratic Party has a history of rolling over for Republicans. And are currently using Trans people as scapegoats. I can be upset and still do what needs to be done, because I’ve done it my whole life. I vote in the primaries, I’ve voted third party in local races when its appropriate, and even once nationally for Gary Johnson(most progressive candidate at the time, and supported “The Fair Tax” which was a backdoor UBI) in 2012 after Obama spent his first term rolling over for Republicans, and Leiberman fucked us over on healthcare.
And I don’t believe my comments cause disinterest in voting that wasn’t already there, but I gotta tell you the blueberries that show up acting like assholes makes me not want to even bother anymore, and just focus on my own local neighborhood and let the rest of the country fall even further into the shit. You’ve personally contributed that disinterest for me. I wonder how much more disinterest you’ve inspired by choosing to ignore the very real problems in the DNC.
Nope, you sound like a tankie, no shock there. I said what I said about my surprise.
I understand your feelings, but I’m no DNC rep. I AM trying to change them though.
I’m not ignoring their problems, but I’m not going to sit still and act like treating them the same as the GOP is helpful. They aren’t a hardline cult the way the GOP is, and this is a consequence of that.
I think we’re in violent agreement politics wise. I think we disagree on how to change that though.
Honestly, it might be easier to just walk in and take over the Green Party. Not only do they actually have primaries, they have tiny primaries.
Great! Let’s do that. I don’t even know if they exist still, I never see them as an option to vote for in primaries.
The Democratic Party could take a stand and denounce and bar members that do this shit. But they don’t. They don’t take principled stands in order to be a Big Tent party. And because of this Third Way strategy, they lose by dilution. Over and over and over.
And because of this Third Way strategy, they lose by dilution. Over and over and over.
It’s certainly starting to look like that’s the entire idea.
Do you want the Dem party to run more like the GOP where it’s very much the way you describe?
I don’t think the Dem party is as corrupt as the GOP, so they don’t tend to stick to hard line beliefs.
I disagree with the actions of the entire GOP and those 8 dems but just thought I’d add perspective.
It’s a good point
While barring members might go a bit far, does the Democratic Party not have planks to its platform? Or is it really just anyone “not republican”?
Beyond that, the idea that denouncement of members is too divisive is kind of a lark on a place like Lemmy.
Yeah, they used to. It’s really starting to be the “not Republican” party…
Super sucks, hope to turn it around though.
This is why I’ll never understand the blind support for Dems with the VBNMW mindset. There are FAR too many rightwing Dems for people to just always support them.
Amazing how theres always just enough democrats to pass this shit.
and its never the same democrats that voted to pass the last shit.
You didn’t read the article. They didn’t need any Democrats to pass this.
Which is why it is so unbelievably grievous that these assholes decided to cast votes in favor anyway. They are simply declaring their transphobia in order to attract the worst kinds if voters in their districts while the centrists shrug and say “oh well”. Meanwhile anyone with a heart is just seething with impotence at the injustice.
Fuck these useless democrats.
Yeah, it makes it so much worse. They need to be primaried.
We need honest primaries.
I guess that makes the democrats voting for it okay then.
Read one of my other replies?
Are we allowed to say both sides are bad and the entire system needs to be replaced yet?
I don’t know if we are allowed to speak the truth anymore.
What are you gonna replace it with? Do you know what an absolute shitshow a constitutional congress would be in this day and age. It would actually be easier to dissolve the United States and run each state as in independent country like in the EU.
It’s less about replacing the government and more about getting everyone currently involved out of it.
Technically replacing … in a roundabout way.
You have less faith in your fellow Americans than I do. The key thing to remember is that any amendments proposed in a constitutional convention still need to be returned by 3/4 of the states. That alone will keep anything crazy from being passed.
You don’t understand what a constitutional convention is. It’s a complete rewrite. Proposing amendments to the current constitution is something states can already do.
No, you do not understand. Per Wikipedia:
The only mechanism the states have for directly proposing a constitutional amendment IS a constitutional convention. States can call for a convention for a single amendment. Now, it is scary in that there would be precedent, per the Articles of Confederation, for a convention to just propose anything. The original Constitutional Convention went well beyond its original purview.
Again, there is one and only one mechanism states have for amending the constitution in any form. That is a constitutional convention. Otherwise amendments must be passed by 2/3rds vote through both houses of Congress.
Article V was a product of the constitutional convention. The constitutional convention was not product of Article V.
You should try reading the shit you post.
Only if you’re going to do something about it.
“Everything you’re unhappy about is your fault for not being involved enough” - people who already have what they want and didn’t have to lift a finger to get it.
Or you could say we’re not a cult blindly following an orange idol. We include a diversity of opinions
Plus congressmen should represent their constituents, no matter how spiteful and close-minded
You would have voted for slavery & segregation if it had been the will of your constituency.
I would campaigned on human rights and likely lost badly
Then why are you doing the opposite of that now?
By saying that congressmen should not blindly follow a cult leader? I’ll go even further and say they have a right to voice their opinion, no matter how despicable
Yes and you would have said the same thing about your defense of slavery and segregation
I think they meant to title this “Why these eight lying scumbags need to be primaried to prevent continuing slide into fascism”
Unfortunately Cuellar and Gonzalez won their primaries.
Party leadership showed it preferred Cuellar over any progressive, and it’s exactly because of votes like this.
Cuellar was pardoned by Trump and clearly captured. What the hell is wrong with his district in Texas?
What the hell is wrong with his district in Texas?
The party demonstrated that it will do whatever it takes to defeat progressive candidates, so they stopped running.
Wouldn’t a democratic voter pick a ham sandwich over someone pardoned by Trump and has voted in line with everything Trump has asked of him since the pardon? Seems like a good opportunity to get a progressive candidate in there.
Wouldn’t a democratic voter pick a ham sandwich over someone pardoned by Trump and has voted in line with everything Trump has asked of him since the pardon?
The last time a progressive ran against him, the party threw everything it had behind Cuellar. This was before trump pardoned him, but after he made it clear that he was an anti-choice anti-labor pro-nra candidate. Cuellar won by something like 500 votes.
Any progressive candidate has to fight against the Democratic party to win the nomination and then if they win anyway, they have to fight the Republican candidate with a depleted war chest and no support from their own party. Or as Mamdani showed, active antagonism from their own party.
I would have hoped there may have been active antagonism at this point. Cuellar worse than Fetterman or a Republican and squishy brained Dems still voting for him.
As long as the party backs him up (and since he does everything party leadership wants, they will keep doing so) his district doesn’t have anyone with the means to fight two major US political parties.
Not to mention, Cuellar has a documented history of corruption. I’m certain he has no problem abusing his office to kneecap opposition. After all, he’s a centrist democrat.
Party leadership showed
[Citation needed]
Party leadership threw its weight behind Cuellar in the 2022 primaries. He won against his underfunded opponent by something like 500 votes.
Progressives have to successfully fight two parties back to back in order to be elected.
Plus millions in AIPAC money.
Gluesenkamp Perez is almost always on the wrong side of decisions like these. Unfortunately, her district is very mixed and not remotely a Democratic stronghold. A more progressive Democrat would be unlikely to win in her district.
There’s a pretty strong push from her primary opponent this year - he’s winning over local Republicans in conversation by focusing on medicare/Medicaid expansion.
Edit: have to be clear he isn’t winning any Maga votes, but iffy republicans that were MGPs “base” since they were already dissuade from voting red from how batshit Joe Kent was.
The system is corrupt and must be destroyed.
the system is working as intended and must be destroyed :)
It also bans teachers from talking about trans people at all.
This should be an easy overturn, but we all know the “freedumb of speech” crowd got their puppet “justices” (misnomer if I ever heard one) on the SC to only interpret the phrase in a particular way.
Wait, how can they out the students if they can’t talk about trans people?
Bigot bills rarely make sense.
Don’t bother looking for logical consistency in right wing legislation. It isn’t there, and drawing attention to their hypocrisy will drive you insane cuz none of them care.
The only thing that’s ever consistent is the cruelty: the goal is always to hurt some out-group. Often at the cost of hurting themselves, but so long as the out-group is hurt too, they don’t mind falling on their own sword to make it happen.
"Thank you for coming in, parents who are either so antagonistic to their child or so checked out of their life you don’t know a fundamental aspect of their being before a teacher does.
I am required by law to tell you something about your child, but I am barred by the same law from saying what it is. Hopefully you go home and just feel bad about yourself rather than becoming violent with your child. I love that my poorly paid job now makes me complicit in this."
Let me guess, no such ban on talking about pedophiles?
Nah, that’s fine just so long as they’re not Republican ones.
ETA: Oh, wait… I guess there IS such a ban.
Okay, Cuellar was the free bingo space for being a shitbag but Vindman after what they did to him? Also Perez right between Portland and Seattle?? We need to primary everyone who did this
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"For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs of Philadelphia. And you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin” -Chuck Schumer 2016
This guy has got to go.
Man you’re right, don’t vote for a Democrat, stay home.
Let’s just not bullshit each other about why the Democratic Party exists
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I never said anything about who to vote for, but we all know the Democratic Party is a private institution that is not obligated to follow the will of its constituents. Just look at national public policy polling and where the party diverges. Look at how the party leaders ignore and work against massively popular progressive candidates like Graham Platner, Ilhan Omar, Abdul El-Sayed, Zohran Mamdani, etc.
Do you honestly think they want to “win”?
The Democratic Party exists as a honeypot to attract and neutralize progressive policies and politicians, and to ensure that the Overton Window of American politics never moves left. They are a right-wing party that runs cover for republicans. They don’t agree with you, they want to stop you.
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No, I think we should recognize party leadership as the enemy and treat them accordingly instead of pretending they’re inept or that they can be swayed to adopt progressive positions.
Until we get a better democracy “don’t vote for a Democrat” only helps the fascists.
Until we get better democrats, they’ll keep losing and you’ll keep acting like every last criticism of even the vilest behavior is telling people not to vote.
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those bad Democrats are why you have to support Trump, it’s not your fault
Criticism of the genocide wing isn’t trump support just because you can’t bear criticism of genocide.
We get it, you don’t care about trans people, or the complicit actions of the democratic party. That you have no problem with violence being carried out in your name to the point of mocking people who do care.
Everyday I have more and more trouble in telling the fundamental difference between MAGA and someone like you. Someone who ignores reality, and make bad faith arguments. Throwing tantrums when their emotionally loaded arguments don’t work. Disgusting behavior you have displayed here.
It certainly doesn’t make voting blue easier when it associates me with someone like yourself.
The curse of the big tent.
Trans people aren’t welcome in your tent. They upset the fascists you’re trying to impress.
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The solution is easy. Offer progressive policies. The most transphobic piece of shit still wants healthcare. If offered universal healthcare, their opinion will be along the lines of, “yeah, I don’t like them trans people, but if I can afford to see my doctor then I don’t give a fuck”.
We see progressive policies win over folks all the time. That’s why people like Bernie Sanders can go on Fox, sit in front of a live audience of Fox supporters, and get that entire audience to support him and his platform by offering healthcare or affordable housing or any other progressive policy.
Establishment Dems know this but refuse to support progressive policies because then they’d actually have to do something beyond using the Republicans to scaremonger. If establishment Dems would just listen to their constiuents, we wouldn’t be in this mess. A majority of the blame lies at the feet of the Democratic Party.
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If the world truly worked this way, then the Trump administration’s disparagment of the new Iranian Ayatollah being gay would work. Nobody gives a fuck if the new Ayatollah is gay because gas prices are ballooning out of control. The Right Wingers are trying everything to pin high gas prices on Iran, but people aren’t eating the shit they are serving. Sure there are a few crazies out there saying, “High gas prices are worth it to defeat the gay communist muslim terrorists”, but those people are a minority who do not need to be catered to.
You should not cater to the worst dregs of our society because they are an inconsequential miniscule outlier. Sure, the transphobe might claim that they hate trans kids getting healthcare, but they’ll still go to the hospital and get treatment when they fall ill, just like those vaccine conspiracy nuts who died of covid in the hospitals. Trying to appease them is stupid, especially when it costs you the majority as it did with Kamala Harris.
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There’s no need to be glib. Judging by your comments, you do not believe a better future is possible and are resigned to working with whatever the DNC offers you. Your writing seems resentful of anyone trying to make things better as if they are radical dreamers. We’ve seen progressive policies get progressive candidates elected, so I don’t know why you keep implying that America is not ready for these ideas.
Personally, I am not the type of person to lead from the front. I’m a door knocker more than a politician, which is why I’m in the DSA and work with other members to pool our power and get progressive policies passed. There is more than one way to be involved in politics. People like Mamdani or AOC have a wide base of support behind them; they are not changing things alone. Your implication that the only way to be involved in politics is to get elected only serves to discourage people from getting active in politics.
If you are not willing to be an active change to better things, the least you can do is get out of the way.
Besr case scenario the most transphobic piece shit is going to say “I don’t care if I can afford health care, I don’t want my kids getting molested by trans people”. More likely they’re going to say “Fuck off with your socialism, I don’t want your well fare and stop trying to sell my kids to trans pedohiles”.
You can just say what you mean about trans people without ascribing it to one of the bigots you admire.
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I don’t know how you have the strength 💪 to get up day after day and head into Lemmy and punish those evil Democratic voters 🤢🤮😡
I don’t think the voters are evil. I think the politicians are.
And I think that’s why you’re defending your fellow anti-trans bigots.
I was afraid you’d killed yourself since you’re so upset about genocide [as long as being upset about the genocide is politically helpful to Donald Trump]. Glad you managed to soldier on!
BlueMaga scum are every bit as loathsome and deplorable as the regular kind, holy shit
Oh shit, it’s ensign crab. I was afraid you’d killed yourself since you’re so upset about genocide [as long as being upset about the genocide is politically helpful to Donald Trump]. Glad you managed to soldier on!
Got under your skin by saying that your only policy is bad, huh?
And unfortunately yes, that does mean in some districts you can’t expect to support trans rights and win.
You will abandon any constituency not named netanyahu.
Its unfortunate you don’t have any solutions other than shitty devise commentary and voter suppression in leftist spaces.
It’s unfortunate that you demand solidarity while simping for bigots like these 8.
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You must be so sad about all these mean Democrats bullying you
I’m sad that democrats can’t seem to stop supporting genocide and bigotry.
Let me guess, none of them are up for reelection this year?
Everyone in the House of Representatives is up for election every cycle.
Vote bloooooo
Relieved to not see Golden on this list of Republican Democrats
