From the article:
A bill making its way through the North Carolina Legislature states it would be permissible for a person to use deadly force on a woman they believe is seeking an abortion, something Democrats have branded as “wildly extreme.”
The legislation, now only backed by Republican State Representative Keith Kidwell, would classify abortion as first-degree murder and open up the right of another person to defend the life of the unborn baby as they see fit.
“Any person has the right to defend his or her own life or the life of another person, even by the use of deadly force if necessary, from willful destruction by another person,” the bill reads. “The State has an interest and a duty to defend innocent persons from willful destruction of their lives and to punish those who take the lives of persons, born or unborn, who have not committed any crime punishable by death.”
Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/republican-bill-deadly-force-stop-abortions-north-carolina-12005136
Nothing says being pro-unborn-child like murdering the mother while she’s pregnant. That’d really protect the fetus.
Who am I kidding? It’s really a cover hoping that someone will storm in and kill the doctors.
Let’s do a little transitive property game.
The bill presupposes that there is an absolute moral duty to protect the unborn.
A theoretical woman is considering an abortion, so it must therefore be okay to murder her.
Therefore, it is okay to murder someone to protect an unborn person.
This bill would make it okay to murder women to protect the unborn.
But that would kill the unborn!
So, it must therefore be okay to kill in order to prevent this bill from passing.
So by this bill’s own logic, it would be morally correct to kill Keith Kidwell.
ALL OF THE ABOVE IS PURELY AN EXERCISE IN ARGUMENTUM AD ABSURDUM AND NOT AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL. DO NOT DO MURDERS.
Wait a second… If someone is going to kill the mother, they are almost certainly killing the fetus. Therefore wouldn’t it be totally legal to shoot anyone who is trying to shoot a pregnant woman as your defending the fetus too?
make it legal to murder women for having abortions
effectively makes it legal to murder women who are pregnant
now you may legally murder / assault any woman, under the guise she was pregnant/was going to have an abortion, if the woman is even a little bit pro abortion or just isn’t a pro”life” psycho, it will be proven that “this man believed she had endangered her baby within reasonable doubt”
Not only would this sexist, misogynist, murderous law allow people to murder women with near impunity, but it is just another piece of legislation that is attempting to legalize Republicans killing any democrat, leftist or otherwise. They tried to do it with Rittenhouse, J6, and inch closer and closer with their “legal” jargon like this all the time, now
I firmly believe this is the end goal of American and other oligarch capitalists when it comes to laws like this. I really hope it would be like “fighting words” where it’s not very enforceable in practice, but that doesn’t matter when women are being killed or even dying being denied healthcare.
They don’t care about the “unborn”. They want to force you to have children so your children can become their worker slaves or even worse with what we’ve seen in all this Epstein stuff. God I hate this place
We’re a Christian nation after all.
Praise be 🥲😵💫🙏🛐
‘The unborn’ are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn." [Methodist Pastor David Barnhart]
How about a bill urging deadly force for rapists? Deadly force for congressional insider trading? Deadly force for using deadly force without an act of congress? Deadly force for fraud? Deadly force for accepting “gifts” while in office? Deadly force for ignoring congressional subpoenas? Deadly force for using the justice dept to harass rape victims? Deadly force for using office to make billions? Deadly force for hiring your own kids and placing them in office?
How any woman could vote Republican is beyond me.
It’s like a black person voting for the KKK
Like wtf is wrong with you?
How any woman could vote Republican is beyond me.
because “The only moral abortion is my abortion”
because " I’m against this because those filthy non-whites use it, but its okay once I need it"
because " I support this because it hurts people that arent me " ( cue inevitable wailing about the unfairness and cruelty of it all when it comes home to hurt them too.)
In one word: hypocrisy
One of people’s historical favorite passtimes
“I never thought the leopards would eat my face”
- Person who voted for the “Leopards Eating Faces Party” after having their face eaten.
They vote whoever their priests tell them to vote for, because apparently, church-state separation was something made up by woke liberals or something.
Artificially limited options in the voting booth?
They do understand killing the mother kills the fetus too right?
Understanding is too big of a word for MAGA.
Ummm. Wouldn’t that also kill the baby?
When was the last time someone checked the lead levels in the drinking water in North Carolina?
You’re assuming the bill is about mothers. When you realize it’s about doctors, things make more sense.
That would only be relevant if their intent was to protect unborn fetuses.
It’s never been able the babies. It’s about abusing and controlling women.
If they cared about kids, they would be angry about Trump and the other republicans raping them.
When was the last time someone checked the lead levels in the drinking water in North Carolina?
It’s the US. I’m sure it was checked, found to be dangerously high, they determined that work needed to be done immediately and then it just wasn’t done.
If you close one eye and then the other, it doesn’t look that bad.
The fact that they have any hope left in their lives is their most admirable quality.
Not necessarily.
By the time any death penalty (execution) would actually occur the birth would have ample time to come to term, if it was viable.
That’d be interesting though. I suppose the mother could continue to attempt to abort the pregnancy while incarcerated.
? the deadly force would be used against the pregnant woman thus killing her and the baby
People aren’t necessarily good lethal shots. Modem medicine is amazing. And funny enough. That dimwit just might consider that and shoot below the waist. To incapacitate but not kill. This is an important distinction in many jurisdictions.
The irony being the perpetrator of an attempted murder would enjoy freedom while the victim of an attempted murder would be incarcerated.
Ultimately, the value of life is arbitrary.
You’re just kinda, saying words, huh? Like an ai but somehow worse?
It’s amazing how people think they can just talk around a point and no one will notice what a coward they are.
Inb4 this is clearly an excuse for men to murder their pregnant partners and wipe it away as “she was trying to get an abortion” so he can get off scot-free as dead women can’t say anything to defend themselves.
Lol as if they would have to actually be pregnant.
This is just going to lead to any man murdering any woman and claiming its about abortion
Nothing says that your pro-life like murdering people.
So you could kill your pregnant wife and unborn baby then claim she was seeking an abortion. Cool
ah fuck thats exactly what they want isnt it
No love like Christian hate.
I think you got it backwards
“Pro-life” is an intentional misnomer.
Lot of antisemites described themselves as “anti-usury” and “anti-predatory loaning” instead of antisemite. Lot of anti-queer people describe themselves as “anti-grooming” and “for the diversity of opinions” instead of anti-queer.
Likewise anti-women’s rights people are describing themselves as “pro-life”. Sure, some pro-lifers are true believers, otherwise it’s the same kind of emotional manipulation militant vegans use when they call people “zoocannibals” instead of using actual arguments (which there are a lot actually).
- a woman is going to have an abortion
- someone goes after her to kill her
- someone else goes after the person above to kill them, protecting the woman
- repeat as many times as you wish
Cherry on top: this gets into court, and judge goes “it’s all woman’s fault, jail her for life”
so how long before people start spreading rumors to encourage stochastic violence? “I heard the governor’s daughter is going out of state to get an abortion in Maryland.”
So to defend the life of an unborn baby they’re going to make it legal to kill the mother carrying it? What the actual fuck do they think would happen to the unborn baby in that scenario? Dumb beyond belief doesn’t even come close to describing this and is a prime example why religion should be absolutely nowhere near law making.
Also stochastic terrorism against women health clinics and doctors
I think this really is the goal. The health professionals are the realistic target.
As everyone notes, the concept of killing the mother to stop an abortion makes zero sense, but open season on any providers…
Edit: what Zabjam said
Okay, aside from the obvious “that would also kill the fetus,” that’s also some really dangerous wording…
states it would be permissible for a person to use deadly force on a woman they believe is seeking an abortion,
“permissible” implies there would be no accountability
“a person” implies that anyone would be permitted to do it
“use deadly force” implies that they can literally murder pregnant mothers
“on a woman they believe is seeking an abortion” implies that they don’t need any solid evidence; only the mere belief is enough.
Put it all together, and this bill would give any person in the state free license to murder any pregnant woman, or potentially any woman, for any reason, as long as they claim that they believed she was seeking an abortion.
If anyone needs me to explain why that’s bad, then they might be suffering from some sort of brain damage or other cognitive impairment.
Only in a fascist hellscape could a bill like this become law.
This could also extend to killing men that you think are about to murder a woman.
Any man could be about to murder a woman they think is pregnant, and anyone has the right to protect their life or another’s.
This is just legalizing murder, full stop.
They wouldn’t interpret it that way, but a plain reading of the text supports it.
Tell me this isn’t going pass and only sponsor by a fucking nut GOP rep?
Well, seeing as it’s the North Carolina state legislature we’re talking about, I wouldn’t exactly bet on them doing the right thing…
I for one think it’s pretty ironic to stop unwanted pregnancies from being terminated by ordering law enforcement to carry out 153rd trimester abortions upon the doctors…
cause they arent pro-life.
they are pro-fetus.
because a fetus is an amazing tool.
They can force any idealism they want on a fetus, and the fetus has no way to say no.
Liking young things that cant say no is kind of a running theme among conservatives.
Ah yes, defending an unborn child by checks notes murdering the person carrying the child and therefore also the child
They should just give the embryo the gun
Pro-life, amiright?
