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Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is suing Johnson and Johnson, accusing the pharmaceutical company of failing to warn consumers about the risk of taking Tylenol while pregnant.
This lawsuit, the first of its kind from a state government, comes a month after President Donald Trump and U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. announced updated guidance discouraging pregnant women from taking acetaminophen, citing it as a possible cause of autism. The announcement set off a wave of controversy in the health care community, and confusion among pregnant women unsure how they should manage fever and pain during pregnancy.
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This timeline is so fucked that J & J somehow managed to be the good guy for once…
Less the good guy, more a target of a bad guy.
Hillbilly Tyrannical Fascist Government
VS
Monopolistic Corrupt Big Pharma Corporation
Who would win?
Stay tuned!
Pharma. Regardless of who’s involved, being able to sue somebody based on made up bullshit is not a good precedent
Yes, but when was the last time these guys cared about “precedent”? I agree in thinking Pharma wins, but only because money. One CEO visit to the Whitehouse and some brown nosing and Trump will start saying how they’re “good people”.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
Generally the courts side with industry and money, but this time they’re being asked to choose between that and MAGA, the latter of which has been dominating in courts lately. I am not sure on this one. Kenvue isn’t that big, it’s not part of a behemoth like J&J anymore, I’m not sure that one company has the gravitas to avoid being run over.
Johnson and Johnson is a huge, multinational pharma company with more money than God. They aren’t going to be intimidated or extorted by this dumbass governor.
This case will get tossed in the discovery phase when the judge asks for scientific evidence and all the governor can provide are these whoo-whoo dipsh*t theories.
SpongeBob: “One Day Later”
WASHINGTON ‒ Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said on Oct. 29 that he does not have “sufficient” evidence to link Tylenol to autism, more than a month after the White House discouraged the medicine’s use by pregnant women and young children.
Evidence does not show that Kenvue’s pain medicine Tylenol definitively causes autism but that it should still be used cautiously, President Donald Trump’s top health official told reporters. Last month, the president said U.S. health officials would recommend limiting Tylenol’s use.
“The causative association… between Tylenol given in pregnancy and the perinatal periods is not sufficient to say it definitely causes autism. But it is very suggestive,” Kennedy told reporters, citing animal, blood and observational studies.
Well, THAT should make Discovery a whole lot easier. How does the underside of that bus taste, Abbot? Lol.
Not if the judge has been appointed by R.
They’re being sneaky.
As attorney general, Paxton has a different avenue into court than an individual trying to prove that Tylenol caused their child’s autism. While those lawsuits focus on personal injury claims, this suit hinges on two state consumer protection laws, the Uniform Fraudulent Transfer Act and the Deceptive Trade Practices Act.
“That overlaps a lot with the science and with the argument that is going on about Tylenol right now, but it’s ultimately a different burden of proof and different damages that we’re going to be seeking,” Keller said.
Is there any science proving this? Could I sue “Buckley’s Cough Syrup” because of my gut feeling that they caused my toenail fungus?
Short answer no. Also correlation is not causation Let’s say child autism is correlated with infection at a certain age then it could be the infection and not the thing you took for the infection.
They are dumb fucks who cannot read studies. Remember COVID?
a buddy of mine got a flu shot and then while walking out of the pharmacy he was hit by a car. Coincidence? No way.
No, because in a court of law, your feelings aren’t the thing that matters. :)
that doesn’t jive with Donna Strumpet being the president of the US
It’s in the article. The short answer is NO.
Many have tried, and many have failed to sue them due to a lack of evidence.
There has been no new evidence btw.
it isn’t lawsuit in a traditional way.
there’s no law in this country anymore. they are asking for a bribe
Wait the state is suing the company? Shouldn’t it be the other way around? The company suing the CDC and RFK Jr. personally due to the clearly slanderous statements?
I read this as “Tylenol sues Texas for libal”
Took me a few re-reads to understand the idiots spreading the libel are the ones suing. They’re gonna get counter-sued real fast.
Unfortunate that the tax payers will shoulder the burden.
Edit: this is a strange way for a company to get a government subsidiary:
- lobby stupid politicians to sue you for stupid reasons
- countersue.
- …
- Profit.
Texas failing once again at using facts and science. They love to shoot themselves in the foot and blame others for making the gun that shot them.
Well, some lawyers are about to make a shit load of money as this drags out for a decade.
Hopefully Tylenol sues texas back for being malicious idiots.
Grifters have to make up the losses from Trump somehow.
There’s no controversy in the health community!!! There’s no link between acetaminophen and autism, period!
Can’t help but notice you used exclamation marks instead of periods. Sincerely, the pedantic community.
You can put an exclamation point at the end of any sentence instead of a period! Multiple exclamation points are also acceptable!!!
It was an attempt to be funny because they went out of their way to say “period” but then used an exclamation mark instead. Oh well.
As usual our AG is being an ass
So many supposed leftists triggered that a big pharma corporation is being sued. Pathetic.
we can all agree that big corporate pharma sucks, but also that this lawsuit is bullshit.
it isn’t really a lawsuit, just asking for a bribe.
Are fucking insane? How on earth do they expect to actually win this lawsuit?
They don’t. It’s part flood the zone, part pandering to certain voters. Look what we do for you! A blue state wouldn’t fight for your health like this!
Nothing will come of it but it’s a positive distraction from the extraction of wealth that is currently happening.
It’s also a very obvious distraction from
THE EPSTEIN FILES
It is a distraction from the hostile fascist takeover of our country. The Epstein shit is a distraction from that.
Fascism is a systemic issue. It’s a cancer that takes roots when democracy starts failing.
Having the concrete and unsystemic problem of there being probable cause Trump did some very, very bad things looked into properly is a much smaller ask.
However, even that’s an imposibility in today’s world.
I’d love to have a magic cure for fascism. There is one, although it’s undoubtedly very unmagic: Painstakingly dealing with obvious lies and crimes, one at a time. Respecting the Constitution. Having people be truly equal. Especially in the eyes of the law.
Without a thourough dose of said cure, fascism will hide away and get ready to rise back up.
The Epstein shit is one step of a bajillion mile journey. It’s not the first and it’s not the last. But without it, there’s no journey to be had.
It’s not “fascist”, it’s ultracapitalist…
It’s both
As someone on the outside looking in, it is ABSOLUTELY INSANE that this still needs to be explained to people.
Well maybe something will come from it, it might inspire laws that make it harder to sue pharma.
I’m not sure if you’re saying this a good thing or a bad thing?
Bad, bad. They just said something come from it. Not something good.
People have tried in the past and each time it got thrown out because the judges ruled they were full of shit. As recently as 2023, even, from Reuters:
Cote, in a 148-page ruling, found that none of the five expert witnesses proposed by the plaintiffs had offered a sound scientific methodology to support their opinion that Tylenol’s active ingredient, acetaminophen, could cause autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
“Instead, the unstructured approach adopted by the plaintiffs’ experts permitted cherry-picking, allowed a results-driven analysis, and obscured the complexities, inconsistencies, and weaknesses in the underlying data,” she wrote.
Wait, so this “Tylenol cause autism” thing existed prior to this year?
It was around in 2022, at least in this iteration, when they consolidated a bunch of cases. The mommy wellness blog machine kicked off hard. Retailers like Walmart were sued too, because people are fucking dumb as rocks.
“Vaccines cause autism” was the hit in 2020
They’re trying to sue J&J, too. One of the largest corporations in the world. Curious to see where it’ll go. Just seems like all it’ll do is piss off his donors.
Tylenol is made by Kenvue, an independant company spun off by J&J in 2022.
Delusion.
By convincing a jury of normal Americans they’re right.
They could request a bench trial. No jury, just the judge.
Go with the ~98% chance of a conservative judge deciding ? Bold move.
It works for patents, surely it’ll work for lunatic bullshit
Honestly they probably expect a settlement to avoid “political trouble.”
This is how recent federal lawsuits ended.
Are the betting markets on how big Tylenol’s donation to trumps library will be?
Why wouldn’t they? Reality can be anything in Trump’s America.
