Saw this in a scicomm feed. Hope it reaches someone. ❤️
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How soon before we get vaccinations with thoughts and prayers ?
Prayers should be applied topically or to worn armor, written on parchment and attached to a stamped wax seal infused with holy oils.
Thoughts are often immunosuppressive and should be guarded against with tinfoil headwear or nerve staples.
I can’t believe two Kennedys were assassinated, and this guy isn’t one of them.
I can’t believe two Kennedys were assassinated, and this guy isn’t one of them.
My favorite JFK conspiracy is that no one killed him. His head just did that.
I like to imagine that he entered a Mandela trance that gave him a peek into our timeline where he saw RFK Jr. Then his head blew up.
The Mandela Effect is the weirdest conspiracy theory to me as that fucker was never off the TV during my teens. No-one would even have heard of him if he’d died before all that.
The GOP isn’t just a metaphorical plague anymore.
“Pestilence” is such an underused word. They’re a lot like locusts.
I live in Ontario, Canada. I can just walk in to the local pharmacy and get the Covid, flu, and RSV vaccine for free.
The True North Strong and Free (except Alberta, their government are fascist Trump bootlickers.)
Please send help - an Albertan
After seeing this, I attempted to check CVS for availability for myself and son since he just started back to school and hubby is immunocompromised from chemo, but they had a message stating they anticipate an updated one soon and currently didn’t have it available. Good luck to everyone looking to protect themselves and others.
Just got my second HPV vax and my understanding is I have to wait at least a month before I can have a different vaccine.
That said, I intend to get the Covid and Flu vax once its been a full month. They’ve never told me I can’t do both of those at the same time.
If you really want the vaccine, just follow the advise of your physician. They’ll know or find out wheter you can combine them.
If your a normal, healthy person there is no need to get the vaccine though. I get the flu shot every year because my employer offers it and I’m just a big wussy.
Now, I’m not saying everything isn’t a shitshow. Clearly it is. Based on the general insanity, I am 100% in favor of getting vaccinated sooner rather than later. But “might” != “will”.
I’m quite glad you included article links. Careful, though; the image posted is how propaganda works. By itself, it is unsourced, apart from the Unambiguous Science logo at the bottom (which could have been put there by anyone). UnSci refers to itself as
No sensational headlines, no politicizing of science. Just evidence based information.
And as noted early in this comment, the image says “will revoke” while the reporting says “might/may revoke”.
Yah while I’m aware of the situation and what’s been said, what has been said wasn’t exactly from a highly reputable source, it wasn’t even from the DHHS, it was someone who “talked to” RFK, and somehow every news outlet picked it up.
That all said, it could indeed happen, the administration is unhinged and a spike in covid deaths would be great for their plan of manufactured chaos, but they also have a much longer track-record of leaking crazy implications in order to fuck with the valuation of stocks.
They may also be planning to do the Chairman Trump thing again and leverage their threats for a 10% cut of Moderna and Pfizer’s profits. I just don’t see them cutting off a profitable company for no other reason than an-anti vax narrative they never really cared about, and just pushed to fleece the country’s stupidest fucks.
All in all, it’s way too unverified and unpredictable to know for sure what’s going to happen, however this infographic/poster thing is really terrible. It’s framed like an announcement, posted in first-person, and has no links or sources. It’s so terrible I wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone in the administration made it and leaked it also.
Go get your boosters/vaccines and your kid’s vaccines anyway, it shouldn’t take this to do the right thing.
You complete me.
And you complete a Snickers!
Can someone from the US take a trip to Canada specifically to get vaccines? I have lupus and I really don’t wanna die from covid. I live in an area where people are ride or die Trumpers and don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves.
At the rate that things are devolving, if you have the means, you may consider emigrating somewhere else. And maybe not Canada because we’ll probably be invaded by your country in the following years, or months.
I don’t have the means to completely leave. I wish I did
Don’t say stupid shit like that.
Why not? I’m not willing to provide links for everything I’ll list, so do what you want with it.
Democracy has failed in the US. They have a king with a dictatorship. They ignore their own laws. They kidnap law abiding citizens, on the streets, at work, in the schools, and send them into concentration camps. They kidnap people from other countries at the border. They invade their own cities with the military. They are sending a flotilla to Venezuela. They are renaming the Department of Defence to the Department of War. They have openly discussed invading Mexico. They have mentioned in the past that Canada should be part of the US. Maine’s Senator sent an open letter to Western Canada and invited them to join the US, like, a week ago.
All this shit is normalized in the US. They just do it little by little and so far people don’t react. They always say “Trump is joking” and “this will not happen” but it ends up happening every time.
Everyone knows that Mecha Mark Carney would rise up and repel an American invasion with extreme prejudice
It’s all nonsense and you normalize the conversation by saying bullshit like this.
And yet you are saying this in a thread about the US restricting access to some vaccines. It was all nonsense a few months ago.
Given the CDC leadership, it’s surprising that it’s still available right now
Last night I was hanging out with a few friends and they all started going in on “the clot shot” and Fauci making money off it and blah blah blah ugh
Waiting for the “sounds like you need new friends” joke, but that’s really a bummer. It’s difficult to make friends and connect with people as it is, and then this shit polarizes us and makes what used to be a fairly private stance something that would rarely, if ever, come up in friendly conversation. Hopefully they aren’t raging Nazis or anything…
What are you talking about? What’s a clot shot?
When are we supposed to get the flu/COVID vaccines? Right now?
Yeah we’re going into flu season soon. And covid vaccines actually should be updated even more often than flu.
You guys have flu vaccines? In the UK only old people get them.
Wait, that’s still a thing?
I’m a a solid blue state and the general consensus is no one even cares anymore.
I’m not sure what the data is for children, but after speaking with my doctor (who has gotten vaccinated multiple times) says they don’t believe the vaccination will be very effective this year since there is no clear data on its effectiveness. They basically said it’s probably not worth it. They highly suggested the flu vaccine though. Take that info for what you will. I’m not sure what I’m doing yet.
Edit: grammar
I read that it’s still effective because the latest version is an ofspin of one strand compatible with the vaccine.
I am not a vaccine sceptic but I am curious as to why America still vaccinates everyone for Covid. In Sweden we haven’t cared for many years about getting vaccinated and it hasn’t been a problem. The vaccine is available to get if you need it. But it’s not something we collectively vaccinate for any more.
I’m Swedish, live in France.
Here: vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate, in Sweden : meh do whatever.
Also Swedish people: hello neighbor please you’re only 5 meters away from me it makes me uncomfortable.
In the meantime in France: Hello friends and neighbours, kiss kiss kiss kiss!
On a more serious note, Sweden had the medical capacity that France didn’t have, which is one of the big reasons in the very different response to the pandemic in those two countries.
I saw a study the other day that mentioned that Sweden during the pandemic had a median time of 30 days sick leave for those who had Covid.
In the US that would be rare if not impossible for a lot of people. I would think if someone could get a shot that would lessen symptoms or duration in a country that has such a poor health care safety net it might be worth while.
Yeah most people here can stay home if they are sick. You get 80% of your salary to start and then it gets lower the longer you are sick. The first 14 days are paid by the workplace and after 14 days the government takes over.
It very likely has been a problem and is just being underreported.
A single infection often doesn’t cause much harm, but those who have constant exposure and infections (teachers especially) are having major health problems. It’s barely mentioned outside of science papers.
Cant speak for the US, but in general, Covid is still more dangerous during the acute infection than the flu and also causes much larger numbers of post-viral sequelae. Those are all potential reasons to recommend the vaccine, which can reduce the severity of both
There’s more people in the US. Plust the US is not collectively vaccinating people
There’s more people in the US
?? How is that relevant
Why wouldn’t it be. The more people theere are the higher the chance for an outbreak.
They key point is density. The denser the population, the more people need to be immunized for herd immunity to be effective, because the more people the average person comes in close contact with even only in passing.
It’s like the difference in walking six blocks in a sleepy town vs six blocks in downtown Manhattan. Even in “rush hour”, with the sidewalks at maximum typical capacity, the former might net you a dozen close encounters while the latter could easily net you 1,200 close encounters. If you are immunocompromised, the same level of herd immunity in the general population makes the former a much safer environment than the latter.
And in general, Europe tends to be much more densely populated than almost any other part of America short of the major metro regions, and they make their cities far more walkable and pedestrian-friendly, increasing the amount of potential interactions someone has; even just passing interactions.
Statistics can be wild.
But getting vaccinated doesn’t really prevent you from spreading it, it just prevents you from not dying from it.
It doesn’t “prevent” but it strongly mitigates how infectious you become and for how long.
But getting vaccinated doesn’t really prevent you from spreading it, it just prevents you from not dying from it.
LOLWUT is this antivaxxer shit? Go back to your anti-reality, anti-evidence, anti-facts hellhole, bud.
Yes, vaccines can prevent you from spreading disease to others, though the degree of prevention varies by vaccine and pathogen. By reducing the likelihood of infection or the severity of illness, vaccines lower the amount of virus or bacteria shed, thus decreasing transmission to others. High vaccination rates within a community further limit the spread of diseases.
#Here’s why:
##Reduced Infection Risk:
When you are vaccinated, your body is better prepared to fight off the pathogen, making you less likely to get infected in the first place.
##Lower Viral Load:
If you do get infected after vaccination (a breakthrough infection), the illness is often milder, and you may shed less virus, which makes it harder for you to transmit it to others.
##Community Protection:
When enough people in a community are vaccinated, the chain of transmission is broken, protecting those who cannot be vaccinated or for whom the vaccine is less effective.
Therefore, getting vaccinated not only protects your own health but also contributes to the health of the entire community by helping to stop the spread of infectious diseases
It became a political statement here. That’s why you see people with masks on, when they’re in a car by themselves lol.
Yeah magats only wear masks to kidnap and disappear people
Have you ever heard of hay fever?
Yeah, I’ve heard of it. Its been around a long time. Strange though, people only started masking up alone in their cars a few years ago.
Maybe you just recently started to notice.
No such thing in Texas. Nope, the only reason to do anything, at all, while you are completely alone in your car is to hope that you will be noticed by some (definitely not a creeper staring into other people’s cars instead of watching the road) road warrior in a lifted diesel dually and deeply insult his proud lineage (land owners in the South who
definitely probablyhopefully were not slave owners) and his deeply researched (heard from Fox news while half conscious from alcohol poisoning, at a bar while looking for his car keys so he can drive home) personal beliefs.
LPT: Go get a shot, now.
Saw the US flag, read it without the “a”
Don’t chastise me as I am genuinely curious – I saw this clip on Huberman lab where the director of the NIH said that the covid vaccine was net more harmful that good for younger men. Is this not the case?
The NIH director was appointed by Trump, which came with a pretty strong anti-mask, anti-vaxx, and general ‘covid was a hoax’ sort of baggage, so he is unfortunately not that credible.
There is a study that correlates to the ages he specifies, but the conclusion is that the risks inflicted by the vaccine were still lower than the risks of COVID itself even for that age group, but no matter how they sliced it the risks either way for the age group was minimal, neither the vaccinne nor COVID were too risky overall. Pre-vaccine chicken pox was deadlier to kids than COVID was to that age group, and we didn’t consider that to be particularly risky, mostly worth vaccinating due to heading off the chances for shingles later.
Gotcha thanks for the info, yeah I don’t follow politics too much so was unaware the director was appointed by trump and came in with that baggage.
Wish Huberman had specified that in the caption
i wouldnt trust info coming from someone like trumps admin, who is stuffed with his lackeys. especially someone lIKE RFK jr who doesnt believe in vaccines.
Gonna be hard for some people to remember that .gov sites are compromised sources now.
Tldr: us gov is no longer reliable for basically anything good, and can be now considered as explicitly and actively hostile to us all
The vaccine has a risk of causing heart complications. It should be monitored. COVID has a much higher risk of heart complications.
In the age group most at risk of COVID-19 vaccine myocarditis (12–29 years), for every 100 000 vaccinated, compared to about four more cases of myocarditis we have 56 fewer hospitalizations, 13.8 admissions to intensive care and 0.6 fewer deaths. Several studies have shown that post vaccine myocarditis/pericarditis are generally short-lasting phenomena with favourable clinically course.
The paper recognizes a 0.004% increase in mild short term myocarditis, with about a 0.05% decrease in hospitalization, 0.014% decrease in intensive care needs, and a 0.0006% decreased chance of death from COVID.
Of course, all this suggests that in that age range, it’s messing with all very low percentages, so it’s pretty much a wash whether they vaccinate or not, statistically speaking. But the vaccine risk is not ‘much higher’ and the severity of the risk is generally low, and seemingly still technically lower risk than COVID itself, but the risk for any of it is kind of down in the noise.
Trump’s health department is stacked with people hostile to the idea of public health. The People’s CDC, an anti-COVID advocacy organization, had this to say about NIH Director Bhattacharya in March prior to his confirmation:
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is a health economist with a medical degree but no further medical training or practice. He endorsed and promoted mass COVID-19 infections to pursue an impossible to achieve infection-driven herd immunity. His policies such as mass infections relying on natural immunity would have led to even more illness, Long COVID, and deaths across the US. His extraordinarily wrong views on the pandemic include predicting, even late in 2020, that US COVID deaths would not reach 50,000, and assuring Floridians in mid-2021 that enough had been vaccinated – though far more have died since then. Videos from as recent as 2024 continue to show him advocating ineffective treatments for COVID-19 such as ivermectin, opposing layered protections against COVID-19, and belittling the value of important tools such as masking and vaccines.
Instead of focusing on advancing the medical sciences, Bhattacharya wants to intertwine politics and policies at NIH and prioritize funding based on academic freedom instead of innovative and impactful medical and health sciences research. If confirmed as the director of NIH, he will continue to downplay the seriousness of COVID-19 and potentially other infectious diseases, and steer NIH towards investment in ineffective treatments for diseases such as focusing on seroprevalence studies. Ultimately, this will harm and reverse the already monumental discoveries at NIH. He will likely assist Secretary Kennedy’s current efforts to delay and even prevent the development of effective therapeutics for infectious diseases, including COVID-19 – and for Long COVID. Finally, there is no reason to think he will fight this administration’s attacks on NIH staffing and cuts in research funding.
Are they anti-covid advocacy, or anti covid-advocacy? I’m pretty sure it’s the former from context but I’m still kind of unsure.
Both, I suppose. They go in on both anti-virus action and opposing pro-infection actors.
In their words, “The People’s CDC is a coalition of public health practitioners, scientists, healthcare workers, educators, advocates and people from all walks of life working to reduce the harmful impacts of COVID-19.”
