• Hellfire103@lemmy.caEnglish
    83·
    7 days ago

    The literal ArchWiki says you may not want to use Arch if you are happy with your current OS.

    • Owl@mander.xyz
      111·
      6 days ago

      Almost every interaction with a boomer involving their computer/phone

      • TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
        19·
        6 days ago

        The zoomers and gen-alpha aren’t doing much better. Just ask the average teen what a filesystem is and how to find a file without it being organized in some sort of media gallery app.

        As a millennial, I often feel like I’m surrounded by tech illiterates on both the upper AND lower sides of my age bracket.

      • Bluewing@lemmy.world
        31·
        6 days ago

        It’s dumb as hell to most here, but ordinary users their own ideas on what a desktop should look like that often doesn’t agree with the intelligentsia. Just let them have it.

  • rickrolled767@ttrpg.network
    34·
    6 days ago

    The funny thing for me is I swapped to fedora after my last attempt to use arch failed spectacularly.

    I’ve found I’m at a point where I just want my device to work and work well

    • MadPsyentist@lemmy.nzEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      Dosent even have to be the way you like it. It only has to be the way that lets you get work done. If you can get work done on your thinking sand tool then it is a good tool.

  • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    306·
    7 days ago

    Unpopular opinion: I love Ubuntu. No, I don’t use snaps at all. I have an Nvidia GPU and it’s literally the only OS working out of the box. Yes I tried Debian, I’m too busy to fiddle with drivers. No, I can’t get rid of the GPU, I depend on it for critical workflows. I love the minimalism of Gnome. Never liked KDE/Cinnamon honestly, they’re too busy for my tastes. For 15 years I’ve tried other distros and I’m always back on Ubuntu. I’ll ride the purple penguin to my grave.

    Downvotes only please.

    • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
      12·
      7 days ago

      It certainly seems like public opinion changed the tast ten years or so. As an ubuntu user, could you confirm or deny these claims I’ve seen? One is that firefox is a snap even if you try to install it with apt. Another is that they show ads to get paid ubuntu in the terminal output?

      • Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de
        10·
        7 days ago

        I can confirm them both. I’m considering moving to Debian because of this.

        You can uninstall snap and use flatpak for those apps but it was a slap in the face when Firefox suddenly was replaced by a snap through apt

        • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
          4·
          6 days ago

          I really liked Ubuntu back when the color scheme was more brown/orange, it seemed so friendly. The last ten years I’ve been on Debian though, but LMDE seems interesting.

          • alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
            2·
            6 days ago

            LMDE is great, it’s what I recommend to all new Linux users. Lots of tiny things that remove friction, like not requiring Sudo for apt and showing stars when typing a password.

            • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
              2·
              6 days ago

              I with they would align LMDE with regular Mint in one aspect though, that there would be an out of the box btrfs layout that matches what Timeshift expects (iirc @ and @home?) which is different from how debian and therefore LMDE sets it up automagically. Maybe this has changed in recent years.

      • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        6 days ago

        You got me there, firefox is the only snap I really use. Probably can be removed and replaced with apt version but honestly I don’t care much. I tend to clean reinstall frequently and I leave as much in the default setup as I can.

        If it works, it works. But it does cause me to have another step to update everything, which is slightly annoying. And yes I don’t like Canonical’s insistence on snaps. I just try to avoid them really.

        Ads, certainly never seen them.

      • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 days ago

        True and true.

        If you do a minimal install, it will still force apt to install snapd and snaps for certain packages, including Firefox. It can be worked around, but it’s very hard to keep snaps out of your system. This is why I dumped Ubuntu and never looked back. Fedora is my happy place, now.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      I’ve had 0 problems out of Debian since bookworm.

      That said, I daily drive Nix and use Ubuntu LTS for servers because I’m too lazy to keep up with it otherwise.

        • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          Historically they have had a lot of funding problems. There’s been at least two or three times where they’ve partnered with somebody for marketing opportunies. And the egregious things were over a decade ago now. They decide to market with somebody, put an ad in there default desktop, or install a default application, or collect user data from dash, being open source it’s been noticed immediately and they end up rolling it back. Hell, it’s the reason half the forks exist.

          Sure, people still get edgy about everything they do at this point but realistically they’ve not been all that bad. But I wouldn’t trust them with closed source for a second.

          At current I think they’re only collecting some super basic user information and it is opt out. And to me from a server standpoint I don’t really care what they’re doing at the desktop level. I don’t even really care about snaps because I’m not installing anything on that box that would use snaps. It’s like firewall, kubernetes, and some monitoring tools. They’re not doing command line spying on my kubectl.

          They’re a good choice for a headless server. They’ve got a nice long LTS with support for years. Their agile on security fixes. And they keep their repos pretty current.

          My second choice would be Debian. They have an LTS service where people are only encouraged to pay. But imo their repos aren’t anywhere near as up to date.

    • Bluewing@lemmy.world
      3·
      6 days ago

      I’ve always admired Ubuntu for making installing nVidia driver pretty painless.

      I don’t know nVidia gpu you have, but I’m looking at immutable distros and I found Aurora, (based on Fedora Kinonite). Before I even downloaded the iso, they asked if I had an nVidia chipset and which one. I simply selected the driver for my older 1650 chipset and they automatically added the correct driver into the iso. I installed it and everything was working properly on first boot.

      It was without a doubt the most painless nVidia driver install I’ve ever had on ANY OS.

    • untorquer@lemmy.world
      23·
      6 days ago

      Trying to help with the downvote situation. Glad you decided on a distro that works for you and you’re not succumbing to the pressure.

    • festnt@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      6 days ago

      i’ve heard a bunch of people talking about cachyos

      i use endeavour os, and when i get my pc back (i moved and haven’t been able to build it yet) i’m planning on installing base arch

      so, what are the upsides to cachyos?

      • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
        31·
        6 days ago

        As a gaming-oriented distro, CachyOS is ready to use right out of the box. It’s similar to Endeavor, but goes a few steps further with its opinions. I’d still be using it if it weren’t for AUR’s serious malware problems.

        • festnt@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          4 days ago

          hmmm interesting. i might use it, but now i need to know more about the AUR’s malware problems. i haven’t heard of them and am now kinda scared

  • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
    16·
    6 days ago

    You can have your cake and eat it too! Just install Arch in a VM to play around with without jeopardizing the stability of your main machine. Once you feel comfortable, you can make the switch. Or not. Having choices is great.

    • tempest@lemmy.ca
      10·
      6 days ago

      Yeah at some point they are all the same to me it’s just the different package manager. Pacman, apt, yum or whatever they are calling it now a days.

      Most use systemd.

      I started using Arch flavors because when you have brand new hardware the latest kernel can be important. After the machine is a couple years old it doesn’t really matter.

      Also Endeavouros is where it’s at (but don’t tell the vanilla Arch people, they won’t help me with my problems if they find out)

      • trepX@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        6 days ago

        Agreed. After years of Ubuntu (who remember single digits?) Endeavour OS really knocked it out of the park on my new laptop. Everything smooth as butter, out of the box. Hibernation works on a bleeding edge device. No tearing. HDR works. VRR works. YouTube 4k 60fps no drops. Games run beautifully.

        Okay, some BT issues, and the Wifi card is crap, and I don’t know how much of this is due to having an AMD graphics vs NVIDIA. But it’s sooo damn smooth. Games just work. KDE plasma >>>> gnome, and I say that as a gnome user since canonical killed unity.

        Don’t get me started on the arch ecosystem and documentation. yay 😁

        Just do what you’ve been wanting to do for a long time

      • paequ2@lemmy.today
        1·
        6 days ago

        they are all the same

        If anyone is interested in something different, I could recommend Guix. No systemd. The package manager works different than your typical apt.

    • rozodru@lemmy.world
      3·
      6 days ago

      I think when you first get into Linux it’s a valid thing. you want to find the distro that you’re most comfortable with.

      When I first started using linux I tried them all and eventually just settled on Arch because it felt right to me. That being said I don’t knock anyone who uses whatever. A good friend of mine online uses Slackware and he loves it, it works for him. There’s no “wrong” distro, it’s whatever works for you. you have to initially hop around though to find that though.

      Also distro hopping is great when it comes to helping people, especially new linux users. I’ve made many friends within the community because for a solid year I just hopped all over the place and tried to learn it all.

    • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      I switched from Ubuntu to Debian when I got pissed about something.

      But it’s not a hop, more like a leisurely walk 😀

    • Zink@programming.dev
      9·
      7 days ago

      Hell yes! Mint 4 life!

      I am convinced that I will try Arch or similar some day in the future simply because of SteamOS switching over to being based off of it. But for now, I develop software for embedded Linux systems all day at work. When I get home it’s either family time inside or it’s playing “engineer turned farmer” in my back yard. Literally digging in the dirt and building stuff out of wood. Feels good man.

      • Bluewing@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 days ago

        Do it…You know you want to.

        After a couple of decades of wandering the Great Distro Desert in search of The One, it seems I have landed and Fedora Plasma as what I want in an OS. I’ve been running Fedora for the past few years now. I’m currently looking into Kinonite for that atomic goodness. It appears good so far.

        Edit: You can choose the Cinnamon Spin if you enjoy that DE. I found Fedora Cinnamon to be snappier than the Mint version.

  • ghen@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    5 days ago

    I’m on kubuntu. I can just Google questions with ubuntu attached to the query and it tells me a gui solution if it’s available. Bonus, there’s far less people telling me I’m doing it wrong, they just assume I’m a newbie.

      • paequ2@lemmy.today
        1·
        5 days ago

        Guix’s FOSS stance is… cool… I guess… but can be very impractical. The main channel only ships linux-libre which will give you problems on most modern hardware. I immediately had to add nonguix to get my laptop working.

        No, the reason I went with Guix is because their tools and APIs seem/feel a bit more polished than Nix. I also feel better about learning Guile Scheme because it’s a more general-purpose language than Nixlang and I just personally found it more intuitive.

        But yeah Nix is definitely more mature, has more packages, and has more documentation scattered about. Also, Guix uses GNU Shepherd instead of systemd… which… I don’t know how I feel about that yet…

        • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          4 days ago

          How do you do Flakes with Guix? When I tried to use it, the closest I could get was a script using time-machine to output a lockfile, and it was still missing many other important features such as inputting other Flakes and their dependencies. Also NixOS/Home Manager have tons of configuration options that integrate with each other (i.e. Shell integrations, stylix) that Guix doesn’t have so with Guix I had to use dotfiles directly which is less powerful. Also on aarch64 Guix is way bugger and like half of the large packages wouldn’t compile a lot of the time, their lack of quality control was also one of the things that pushed me to Nix.

          The one thing I do miss from Guix though is the containerized shells.

          • paequ2@lemmy.today
            1·
            2 days ago

            How do you do Flakes with Guix?

            Good question. I haven’t gotten there yet… but I hear yeah, something with channels.scm and time-machine? I haven’t tried that workflow yet. Also, something about inferiors?

            NixOS/Home Manager … with Guix I had to use dotfiles directly which is less powerful

            I actually found that I like using the home-dotfiles-service-type because I already have everything in dot files. Although, I have a very simple setup, so I’m not sure more powerful features would be useful for me… maybe? idk.

            aarch64 Guix is way bugger

            Ah, ok. I haven’t tried this.

            half of the large packages wouldn’t compile a lot of the time

            Hm, weird. Maybe this has gotten better? I haven’t had a problem with anything compiling yet. I did run into a bug with Obsidian not launching correctly and that took a few weeks to resolve, I think.

            Guix is definitely lacking manpower for sure, but I’m vibing with the foundations so far. So I’m hoping things get better over time.

            • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1·
              1 day ago

              This was the closest I managed to get to a Flake with Guix. I’m bad at Guile so there might be other things I missed.

              With Nix I made a Flake that automatically configures a text editor that can be imported into other Flakes for my own projects which is easy to do with Nix.

              For system configurations, the flake-parts based configuration makes it easy to mix and match modules for different systems that edit parts of program configurations that I need (i.e. different modules add different aliases to Nushell). Idk how Guix handles this since I haven’t figured out Guile well.

              I did run into a bug with Obsidian not launching correctly and that took a few weeks to resolve, I think.

              I’ve experienced this with Nix before for a different program, although once I made an issue request it got responses immediately and I didn’t even do anything else. Meanwhile for Guix, I tried contributing a package that I spent several hours working on, and I asked multiple channels for support and didn’t get a response, then when I submitted it no response for a year before it was finally rejected, so my experience with the maintainers wasn’t great either and this made me hesitant to invest more time into the ecosystem.