INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
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What I want from fairphone:
- Take security and long-term support seriously
If people, not only lemmy’s people and a small minority care about the jack people would buy phones with jacks, there are good options but very few people do.
Most people actually like and prefere bluethooth.
Same for ROMs, when was the last time you said “wow, I sure miss custom roms” and the whole room went “meeetooo”. Hell, most people don’t even know what a custom rom is.
This is not what “the people want” is “what lemmy thinks everyone ones, but is actually only them circle jerking”.
Downvote me to hell, but is the truth.
Well i know a lot of people irl who miss the headphone jack and none are lemmy users and not all are nerds
i said in the post “to get me interested”, not “to get the majority of people interested”.
It says clearly down to the right “Focus on features people want”.
Not sure I get the point of dual Sims when esims are a thing.
Been using Fairphone 5 with /e/OS and I’m fully content with it. I’m sure your critique is fair, and they could do better on several fronts. Still I’m very happy to support this company, and I’ve not seen anything on the market that seems to do better overall than fairphone, according to what I value that is. It feels good to contribute to ‘an alternative’. I can’t help but see regular smartphones as a disease that try to colonize your brain and reduce you to a remote-controlled zombie. I don’t feel that way with the Fairphone. I see most of it’s limitations as a blessing in disguise. None of this is to refute anything you’re saying, it’s just trying to balance it out with some genuine love for Fairphone. :)
This post really resonates with me and I’ve already said my piece about jack removal and BT buds arriving at the same time by FP.
The realization I came to is that FP is not an enthusiast brand and doesn’t want to be; it is not the Framework of phones.
They cater to the broadest market segment, they want to be the repairable Samsung, rather. And it shows.
Is there any brand that does want to be the Framework of phones?
Xiaomi and OnePlus used to be. Repairability, cheap(er), good specs, reliable. Now Xiaomis are stupidly unreliable and practically not bl-unlockable and OnePlus is starting to block bl unlocking in some regions, they don’t allow avb-yellow and are expensive as shit. Nowy maybe nothing if we ignore the light bullshit.
Used to have a OnePlus Nord. Broke the screen 3 years after the phone released and there were no replacement parts anywhere, besides a single AliExpress seller. It didn’t make things better that they released multiple versions of the same model, most, if not all, had incompatible screens.
The screen protectors for both Nord and 8T were out of stock less than a year after the phones were released, never to be seen again.
They were able to capture various national markets by competing on being favorable to consumer wants, now that they have a strong foothold, or straight up control whole markets, they get to juice their profits.
I’ve recently come across this: https://www.shift.eco/en/shiftphone-8/. Unfortunately also no headphone jack… But when my current phone breaks this might be the phone to get, for me at least.
Damn, the is so sick… except for the missing jack. What a bummer :(
Interesting. Any idea how compatible it would be with US mobile networks? I’m currently using Mint/T-Mobile (not Verizon, which is notoriously incompatible) but every time I’ve found an EU phone that looks appealing in the past compatibility was always a possible concern so I never got any.
I don’t speak German and after some searching I am still not sure. Most of the results are full of speculative/preview type info and focused on performance.
Honestly, I still like what they do have. Not having to deal with a service center and being able to easily replace my own battery or charging port when something goes tits up.
But it does really sting that there just isn’t any phone that comes close to approaching what I want.
Honestly I don’t even really care about having a flagship level SOC. I don’t need a processor that can run more sophisticated programs. So long as it loads web pages and plays media, at most runs a doc like program, I’m quite happy.
But given that my main use case is media, I’d really like to have something where I can listen to stuff, not using speakers, not having to worry about the charge on a Bluetooth device, and be able to have my phone charging at the same time. Like, there are those splitter dongles but I’ve found them to be just such a head ache to use, inconsistent in their function, and so easy to lose or break.
Also the fact that FP are kind of hard to get where I live is annoying, but, that’s hardly the fault of FP.
TLDR - focus on features people want.
You think people don’t want accessories…?
naw- i agree, peeps want accessories. i was just mad that they made the backplate accessorie so that even the basic bavkplate has screws on the back… which triggers somthin evil in me - iduno-
I know this is a shitty ask (and impossible atm), but like a 1" periscope camera (or any decent zoom snapper) for me pls :(.
That and actual Linux.
I would add proper Linux mainline support here.
That would allow other non-android options as well, and makes it be supported for the near future. And will likely have a network effect, allowing other phones with similar hardware to be supported as well.
Mainline Linux support is a chipset feature, the manufacturer has little control over it. And even then, you have manufacturers like Mediatek that theoretically have full mainline support, but the bootloader is totally locked and no custom ROMs exist.
Most mainlining effort is financed by the people that build products with it, not the chipset vendors. Chipset vendors are only interested in providing a working demo application, not much more. If someone promises 8 years maintenance, they could also in parallel work on mainline support, so that it can continue to be supported.
About locked bootloaders, sure you need to be able to unlock them as well, but that often also is a decision of the product manufacturers, not the chipset vendors.
If a manufacturer wants to lock the bootloader, they can, true. But sometimes, you have phones in the same family where the Qualcomm chipset supports unlocking and the Mediatek one doesn’t. E.g. Xiaomi before they restricted unlocking further.
I straight up refuse to ever buy bt headphones. I never really had a desire to use them, and having them as the only option pisses off some deep part of my soul that hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker(in private of course). I honestly don’t miss it, instead finding other ways to pass the time around other people.
I’ve been forced to resort to them since it seems pin on my power port that handles audio signal has failed.
I hate playing stuff I’m listening to on speakers, even in private, I just always feel like someone else might be around, and I don’t want to annoy them, or even worse, have them judge me. It just makes me uncomfortable.
hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker.
You do realize that playing music on anything but a tiny speaker requires more power than BT+headphones? Even playing it loud in the built-in speakers can be note wasteful than later versions of Bluetooth.
Bluetooth transmission power costs are insignificant. But you don’t need to justify preferring the option to have regular wired earbuds on a phone.
well played
As a firm believer in wired headphones: you can buy an adapter to plug your 3.5mm in the USB-C. IMO it’s not ideal, but they’re small pieces and you can keep them connected to your headphones at all times, so you don’t even have to think about bringing them with you.
Personally, I made a 3.5mm jack non-negotiable for my phone, which severely limited my options. Next time I’ll probably have to get an adapter… :(
Off topic but I really like your style of drawing, it’s cute.
^_^This is going to get buried, but I’m so glad to see this discussion on our comm!! This is something I’ve tried to bring up among other communities I’m in and it never really gains traction. Almost 100 comments on this is awesome!! Luv y’all very much!
heyhi ~ ~ ~ <3
im also happy this kinda post ig getting traction… i guess i should stick with this much simpler type of post… normally i make them like - suuuuuper colorful which kinda makes them less approachblable… meanwhile this one here looks almost… like advertising…
The design isn’t the reason I like it. I like it because of the issues it relates to and seeing people care about anti-corpo tech. If it was super colorful and chaotic I’d still love it! Keep posting however you want to post Smorty, we love having you 🫂
I just want a home button :(
Settings -> System -> Gestures -> Navigation
I couldnt get used to gestures either. Much prefer actual buttons for that. Thankfully it’s customisable.
but I want a phone with a real button you can press :<
I feel like most of these are at least misleading if not outright false (or maybe I’m misunderstanding them, so please correct me if I do).
- Allow custom ROMs: It does, and there is even a Google-free variant they sell on their store.
- Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
- Programmable “moments” button: The button is not programmable per se, but there are different settings to make it do different things.
- No dumb accessories: If you don’t find them useful, don’t buy them?
- Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
I do this as well, but I would also like to charge the phone while I have my headphones connected to it, and all these additional adapter chains often don’t work very reliable, and are much more cumbersome to deal with.
Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
Still, I prefer 2 physical slots. Some phones also have Dual SIM + eSIM, where 2 of them can be active at a time.
My current phone has Dual SIM + SD. I have all three populated, on of them with 9esim adapter. Removable eSIM. Easy to replace, and stores multiple profiles.As for the second thing: https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/01/hands-on-with-the-saygus-v2-smartphone.html
I currently have four eSIMs on my phone. I would love nothing more than to get rid of the last remaining physical SIM.
Ideally, also get rid of the whole slot to improve water resistance.
I would MUCH rather they focus on optimisation and power efficiency. My work iPhone can easily last two days on a single charge, three if I’m not really using it that much, all the while giving me all the processing power I’d need to run high-quality games on it. No Android phones comes anywhere near this and it grinds my gears.
All I’m saying is: different people, different needs.
dual sim slot phones were very common in some markets where you needed to have multiple carriers. It’s a lot less common now that eSIM exists, but before then it was a common thing for the EU version of a phone to have dual sim slots when the NA versions were only single sim.
ur right bout the first two… i updated the posts content becuz of it (som hours ago)
but the accessories - see - i like the idea, bzt sadly they opted for a screw-on desgin… which then made the phone have two black screws on the back, in places where ur fingers would be… whivh spawns a big uncomfy feeling in me - so its mostly a personal thing-
but yes, ur points r very valid n i agree.
How did you hold one in your hands?? Is there a fair phone store?
Possibly held a friend’s phone.
My main issue with the Fairphone is price. Kinda expensive, innit? I mean, I don’t know how much is too much when it comes to prices. When I got my current phone, company I was working at at the time gave me 200 monies discount on a phone at a select online platform / store. So mine, slightly above 200, came out almost free of charge on my end. And 200 was also the price my dad advised my sister looking into for a new phone. So when I decided “let me peek that Fairphone”, it’s like, damn. 500? 600? (I don’t remember the price, but I think it was something like that).
Maybe it pays for itself in the long run, if it indeed lasts longer (assuming you don’t upgrade needlessly)
It is also way more expensive because they pay a decent wage to the factory workers and use more environmently friendly methods of extracting materials.
Yeah, I can see that. Sucks that the best stuff usually costs more, whereas the cheap garbage* tends to be… well… cheaper.
Well, phones used to be max 300€ in 2017-18. Now they’re min 300 to be actually usable in ~5 years. So the actual reason is as always capitalism (and slight inflation).
I would like a lower end option from them, but even that would probably be more expensive than normal because they’re not a huge company and aren’t squeezing margins on assembly and supply for ethical reasons.
