INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
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I would add proper Linux mainline support here.
That would allow other non-android options as well, and makes it be supported for the near future. And will likely have a network effect, allowing other phones with similar hardware to be supported as well.
I straight up refuse to ever buy bt headphones. I never really had a desire to use them, and having them as the only option pisses off some deep part of my soul that hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker(in private of course). I honestly don’t miss it, instead finding other ways to pass the time around other people.
hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker.
You do realize that playing music on anything but a tiny speaker requires more power than BT+headphones? Even playing it loud in the built-in speakers can be note wasteful than later versions of Bluetooth.
Bluetooth transmission power costs are insignificant. But you don’t need to justify preferring the option to have regular wired earbuds on a phone.
TLDR - focus on features people want.
You think people don’t want accessories…?
naw- i agree, peeps want accessories. i was just mad that they made the backplate accessorie so that even the basic bavkplate has screws on the back… which triggers somthin evil in me - iduno-
My main issue with the Fairphone is price. Kinda expensive, innit? I mean, I don’t know how much is too much when it comes to prices. When I got my current phone, company I was working at at the time gave me 200 monies discount on a phone at a select online platform / store. So mine, slightly above 200, came out almost free of charge on my end. And 200 was also the price my dad advised my sister looking into for a new phone. So when I decided “let me peek that Fairphone”, it’s like, damn. 500? 600? (I don’t remember the price, but I think it was something like that).
Maybe it pays for itself in the long run, if it indeed lasts longer (assuming you don’t upgrade needlessly)
It is also way more expensive because they pay a decent wage to the factory workers and use more environmently friendly methods of extracting materials.
Yeah, I can see that. Sucks that the best stuff usually costs more, whereas the cheap garbage* tends to be… well… cheaper.
I just want a home button :(
Settings -> System -> Gestures -> Navigation
I couldnt get used to gestures either. Much prefer actual buttons for that. Thankfully it’s customisable.
Off topic but I really like your style of drawing, it’s cute.
^_^This is going to get buried, but I’m so glad to see this discussion on our comm!! This is something I’ve tried to bring up among other communities I’m in and it never really gains traction. Almost 100 comments on this is awesome!! Luv y’all very much!
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im also happy this kinda post ig getting traction… i guess i should stick with this much simpler type of post… normally i make them like - suuuuuper colorful which kinda makes them less approachblable… meanwhile this one here looks almost… like advertising…
The design isn’t the reason I like it. I like it because of the issues it relates to and seeing people care about anti-corpo tech. If it was super colorful and chaotic I’d still love it! Keep posting however you want to post Smorty, we love having you 🫂
I feel like most of these are at least misleading if not outright false (or maybe I’m misunderstanding them, so please correct me if I do).
- Allow custom ROMs: It does, and there is even a Google-free variant they sell on their store.
- Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
- Programmable “moments” button: The button is not programmable per se, but there are different settings to make it do different things.
- No dumb accessories: If you don’t find them useful, don’t buy them?
- Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
I do this as well, but I would also like to charge the phone while I have my headphones connected to it, and all these additional adapter chains often don’t work very reliable, and are much more cumbersome to deal with.
Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
Still, I prefer 2 physical slots. Some phones also have Dual SIM + eSIM, where 2 of them can be active at a time.
My current phone has Dual SIM + SD. I have all three populated, on of them with 9esim adapter. Removable eSIM. Easy to replace, and stores multiple profiles.As for the second thing: https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/01/hands-on-with-the-saygus-v2-smartphone.html
I currently have four eSIMs on my phone. I would love nothing more than to get rid of the last remaining physical SIM.
Ideally, also get rid of the whole slot to improve water resistance.
I would MUCH rather they focus on optimisation and power efficiency. My work iPhone can easily last two days on a single charge, three if I’m not really using it that much, all the while giving me all the processing power I’d need to run high-quality games on it. No Android phones comes anywhere near this and it grinds my gears.
All I’m saying is: different people, different needs.
dual sim slot phones were very common in some markets where you needed to have multiple carriers. It’s a lot less common now that eSIM exists, but before then it was a common thing for the EU version of a phone to have dual sim slots when the NA versions were only single sim.
ur right bout the first two… i updated the posts content becuz of it (som hours ago)
but the accessories - see - i like the idea, bzt sadly they opted for a screw-on desgin… which then made the phone have two black screws on the back, in places where ur fingers would be… whivh spawns a big uncomfy feeling in me - so its mostly a personal thing-
but yes, ur points r very valid n i agree.
How did you hold one in your hands?? Is there a fair phone store?
Possibly held a friend’s phone.
Fairphone with graphene os and headphone jack would be awesome.
I want a phone completely untouched by Google. No Google hardware, no upstream Google dependencies at all. Hardware that I control and a more “traditional” flavor of Linux with a mobile-native DE.
Maybe you will find this interesting: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/
hopefully that is possible soon. i want it too
Also I like your drawings and art style/visualization.
aww thanksies <3 <3 <3 <3
I am pretty sure the graphene os team detailed quite a few bad things about fairphone. A quick search threw up this link, which might have been it: https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/10b5x4n/comment/j67pbny/
I currently have a pixel running graphene. It is great. My next phone, as secure as it gets (still fairly open in a lot of ways) will be a nokia. They are definitely the healthiest and most private option.
Just got a pixel 9 for graphene since it seems that the 10 will only have eSIM support, which sucks.
I completely disagree with you here, I don’t see where you’re coming from. Custom Roms are Posssible and you can buy it already degoogled so idk what you’re talking about?! The switch is programmable? I Mike Accessoires I think they make it feel they give you cool choices, I want to fidget with them, it looks really nice to stim with. I’m nit sad about the headphone jack, I’m now used to bluetooth and it makes it cheaper to waterproff the phone.
Also it makes it stand out more as a phone which is not just eco-friendly but actually worth your money for features not many other/no other phone offers. Before it was hard to justify buying a worse phone, for more money. I also like how they apparently made a huge jump in power efficiency, before that was a huge dealbreaker for me.
Headphone jacks are awesome if you want to listen to music at high quality and don’t want to put additional strain on the USB-C connector you’re going to be using all the time for other purposes. Although if it was a modular add in part like framework that could be a cool compromise.
Cool thst it works for you, I got my cable stuck/tangled up or forgot the length all the time. I’m happy with bluetooth,
i agree thad the backcover thing is actually kinda cool - but they leave these dark screws on the back which… is a complete turniff for me…
i rlli like havin a headphone jack… cuz i feel its jus useful… for like… headphones… n stuff-
and yes, its tru thad the custom OS stuff alrdi works, i jus wanted to emphasize thad its important-
Fair if you have them lying around. I just always git the wires tangled up and desttoyed them in weeks or months at most. With bluetooth I don’t forget to get away too far from my phone/pc and rip it half out and stuff… I think they made some pretty good improvements with this generation. I already saw a few people here in germany walking around with it. I think they’re on a good track.
Opposite experience for me, wired headphones just work. Anywhere, anytime, any device, instantly, with zero maintenance. Bluetooth headphones can just run out of power, can’t be used while charging, rely on the shaky Bluetooth standard, and are frustrating to hookup (especially when switching between devices).
I tried some bluetooth headphones, but I’ve ended up using far crappier USB-C headphones far more often. Still means I can’t listen while the device is charging though. Maybe two USB-C ports on different sides would work. Then a phone could rest uprite while charging and rest in a dock!
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So shift phones are not known here ?!? Shiftphone 8
What is it? I don’t know it
Missing the headphone jack?
That’s because building a waterproof phone which is easy to repair is hard to design with a headphone jack
No it’s not
wow!!! no… i did not know of em… but now ill look into em!!! (i saved ur message, thank u for pointing them out!)
Not known to me, but that sounds amazing
The missing 3.5mm Headphone jack hurts so much :(
yesyis, also my biggest gripe ;(((
if i cud jus hook up my good lil headponies - like - i wud keep that phone for however long i cud keep it-
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A 3.5mm to USBC converter really does cost less than a coffee… Was probably not made with ethical labour tho
I always see this argument but I really don’t want anything plugged into anything as important as the USB-C port while the phone is in my pocket.
3.5 plugs are rather short outside of the phone (at least for headphones with 90deg plugs) to minimize leverage that you put on the port. Being able to rotate also means less stress on the port as well.
The USB-C adapters are pretty short, but lack the rotation. I have replaced USB-C ports in dozens of Nintendo Switches and other devices, it is pretty clear they aren’t designed to take much stress.
Long story short if anything happens I would much rather have the 3.5mm pin stuck in a headphone jack than breaking the USB-C port and making it so my phone is a brick.
Totally valid. My fairphone USB port broke after a few years. Took a £20 part and ten minutes to fix, but it’s definitely still an issue with USB C.
I’d consider that if they added a second USB port, but no. Why would anyone want to use headphones while their phone is plugged in?
However, 3.5mm to USB-C adapters are not passive, they’re active. They need a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate audio signals from the digital data stream that comes from the USB-C.
Phones didn’t use to have very good DACs (with exceptions, of course), but they’re still normally better than whatever you get from a 3€ adapter.
Adapters are also less convenient than a headphone jack, because now you need to remember taking the adapter and the headphones with you.
However, 3.5mm to USB-C adapters are not passive, they’re active. They need a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate audio signals from the digital data stream that comes from the USB-C.
There are entirely passive adapters, but they’ll only work if the phone has the necessary hardware of course.
I use a dongle and get better audio quality than I ever had on an integrated jack. I really don’t care if a phone has the jack. If I want something compact on the go, I use bluetooth ears. If I want to listen to high quality audio, I use the dongle with a quality DAC with proper headphones.
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I’ve thought about this sort of thing a bit with fairphone and framework, and decided that I don’t really care about easy repairability for me. Sustainability and replacement parts still definitely matter, but I’m willing to put up with a harder repair if it saves me a few hundred dollars up front.
The only real reason I would get a fairphone or framework product would be to support the company and their ideals. Which is very valuable and could maybe even put pressure on the industry, I’m just not sure I’m willing to spend the extra few hundred dollars for that.
Then I have a Samsung phone to sell you. Where the OS updates frequently to cut your battery’s lifespan in half, and a screen that looks beautiful but costs 300 dollars to replace, unless you want an aftermarket part with half the refresh rate and pixel quality off ebay.
You’re not getting a repairable device for just yourself to repair. You’ll also be making your life easier when you go to a repair shop and a technician like me has to look at the hoops to jump through to get it resolved (passing the costs onto you ofc).
Unless you have money to burn. Then buy a subscription repair service like AppleCare or Samsung+. At least those guys work on salary.
Yeah, I guess that there aren’t all that many places that make hard to repair products but also sell affordable replacement parts.
Fairphone has sources available for it and an unlockable bootloader. There are nightly builds of Lineage already available for the FP6
And you can buy it with /e/OS prwinstalled which is a custom degoogled rom of android
postmarketOS also has rudimentary support for the FP6
