Including possession? What will they do, demand all users in the UK to unlock their devices for regular content scans?
When banging your step mum is legal but watching a fictional video of someone else banging their step mum is illegal 🤪 welcome to the UK ladies and gentlemen.
It’s legal if you submit your ID to the government and have it recorded in the masterbaitorbase that you whacked off to that video. What, don’t make it weird… /s
“Oi! Yew got a loicence fer that Stepmother? Roigt, oim gonna ave to clamp those jugs untill such toime as that courts decoide”
Diabolical.
That’s just gonna be the plot of another piece of porn specifically produced for the UK
Ted Cruz is a good UK Citizen now?
Fighter for liberty?
That bitch didn’t even fight for his wife.
Be sure you don’t call a genocide a genocide. Wouldn’t be proper.
That would legally be “supporting terrorism” and socially be “anti-semitism”.
Well, it’s not really different to supporting a genocidal fascist dictatorship and declaring everyone who supports their victims “terrorists”…
The world is an idiocracy and the majority of humanity are mentally ill. The world would not be as fucking stupid and insane as it is if the average person was logical.
…if the people weren’t intentionally under-educated and manipulated en masse for generations to prefer illogical, irrational, and self-destructive patterns by their respective “government”.
FTFY.
I say, a discrete bit of buggery is one thing but enjoying it… that’s another! /s
But what about if you need to evidence that you had sex with your step-mom, you know, for the normal legal reasons?
To be fair, the headline is overblown since they are banning step-incest porn where one of the individuals is pretending to be underage.
Which begs the question of “what do they mean by pretending to be underage?” I seriously doubt any of the actors are going to claim to be underage in the video as that would get their videos removed from any mainstream platform. Another user suggested that this is based on body type meaning petite actresses are going to be the ones targeted as being “illegal” just for existing as they are despite being of age.
if a 90 year old lady puts on a twintail wig and wears a skirt she’s going STRAIGHT to jail for 5 years, god bless the
queenkingYeah, it looks very vague and possible targeting videos that don’t exist, have no effect and still give Starmer a political win?
Starmer could use it but his reverse hand of midas is going to turn it to shit no matter who.
If they ban Vina Sky, I’m going on strike. If they don’t, I’m going on stroke
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Banning porn where the actors pretend that what they’re doing is almost illegal is wild. What’s next, prison time if they say that one of the participants is just over the age of consent?
Nah, I want to know when they finally ban the really vile stuff. You know, all those murders on the screen in, oh I don’t know, 70% of all fictional works?
That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.
Talking about banning porn is just outrage porn for those for and against it. The point is to drive home surveillance state and most importantly drive discussion away from things that actually matter and the people in power desperately want people not to talk about or take notice. Modern liberal politics is very much an art of pretending to do something when actually doing nothing and just acting as the guarddog of even decaying society that has been politically hermetically sealed for the benefit of the top 1% funder class.
They need to have some violence in media, how else would you recruit tomorrows policemen and soldiers.
dont you mean brownosers and cannon fodder. also add in a little, degrading education standards, and funding helps.
That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.
No, it shows their morals are different than yours (and mine).
A key clause not included in the headline and only briefly mentioned in the article is that this doesn’t ban all step-porn. It only bans the step-porn if one of the actors pretends to be under 18.
From gov.uk:
The first of these vital measures will ban anyone from possessing or publishing harmful pornography that shows incest between family members, and sex between step or foster relations where one person is pretending to be under 18.
A further amendment will criminalise the publication and possession of pornography where an adult is roleplaying as a child.
(edited to update link)
Isn’t an adult pretending to be a child in porn already illegal? That seems like something that would always have been illegal.
It sounds like that was not actually illegal in the UK, based on the article. However, I am not a UK resident nor expert in porn law.
In that case is it still legal if they’re not pretending related? Seems that would be the bigger fish here.
At least according to the article, the law does not appear to address that.
yea that is considered CP, maybe its different for each country.
That seems like a weirdly specific way to just say that age of consent laws apply to the stated ages of the actors. The UK’s age of consent is 16, or 18 if the other person is in a position of power (like a step-parent is).
You know, when politicians doth protest too much I begin to wonder why they doth.
Britain + Some early 20s girl shouts “I want you daddy!” to some late 20s guy = Jail!
The Coalition of the Geriatrically Sexless proclaim the following:
obviously banning fictional depictions of attempted murder
STRAIGHT to jail.
masturbation in porn to be made illegal, or jerking people off.
tackling this vile content will make our country a safer place for women
Doubt.
Generally, the effect of all the “for children” laws and parties etc is exactly the opposite.
Obviously the best thing the UK government can do to protect women is
a mass purge of the corrupt justice system that let rape cases go entirely uninvestigated for at least a decadeban stepbrother incest porn.
I don’t really get this. If the characters in the production are adults and not blood related how is it different than roommate porn?
the UK loves to control adults. they banned face sitting porn. there was a law where you a had to ask your ISP to allow you to see adult content (with the default being off). but I’m not sure how/if it was enforced because I lived there when they made their law and had no issues.
they banned face sitting porn.
Well, it kinda makes sense. If you allow people to simply watch face sitting porn from the comfort of their homes, how are they supposed to sell the public the licenses required to face sit in real life?
Oi mate do you got a cunnilicense for that?
Well Uk citizens will just use a VPN (until the government tries to take that away too and fails miserably). This is just ridiculous do real politics instead of this bullshit
Is this related to why all uk sites ends in .uk? I have always wondered.
that’s how domain names work.
And Spanish sites have .es
every country has they own domain
no idea why some countries have a “.co”. too busy to figure it out, but if anyone knows please tell me
Are the royals still allowed actual sex acts with their blood relatives?
And children too it seems?
yup, liz and phil were cousins.
where one person pretends to be under-18
The performers may be adults, but it seems the key thing is an assertion that one or more of the characters are underage.
Which seems easy enough, two 18 year old step siblings. In fact, I don’t know how often they ever explicitly state an age for a character nor anything that would definitively make them underage otherwise.
yeah im not big on fiction being censored. granted though in the modern age with computer graphics and ai it sorta gets wierd since its possible one could not tell. still with obvious classical style art it should not matter or with scripts or whatever. I mean there are a few well know porn actresses that are small and lithe and their schtick is generally a pretend to be underage. You 100% know they are adults becuase of their fame.
The logic of the people pushing this is all stepbro porn is asserting they’re underage because if they’re stuck in the same washing machine then they live together and that means they’re under 18 because British housing is very affordable. The British ban on face sitting and squirting porn got overturned with a ruling that you can’t ban porn of anything that’s legal irl. So now they’re looking for things in porn that they can construe as irl illegal to try to find something they can ban.
Someone needs to get up in Mahmoud’s face and say “You know what’s really obscene? Selling weapons to someone committing genocide! And kowtowing to a murderous, kleptocratic nonce and nonce-protector as well.”
I wonder if they’ll ban sofa-fucking porn too, or if they’re too scared of Vance to even try.
Personally I really dislike it and how ubiquitous it is just because the topic creeps me out. Which isn’t to say that people putting something on the internet that gives me the ick calls for arrests, court proceedings and prison time, the judicial system should not be for micromanaging how people masturbate, and it shouldn’t be that hard for people to accept that it’s just none of their business.
the implication
dah dah dun!
I never understood this whole step porn thing, but this is ridiculous lol
Yeah.
I don’t get it, it’s weird, but is it 5 years in jail weird? No.
it’s taboo. that’s all there is to get.
taboos are sexy.
It’s not about the actual relationship depicted. It’s that it’s forbidden. I doubt 99% of the people actually would want to bang their step-sister, or step-mother.
It cheap to make. The “story” is simple but explains why these two people live in the same house without it being incest.
It’s also really efficient, setting up the entire relationship with just the word “step-bro”. Plus, it’s taboo enough for the characters to say “we shouldn’t”, but not SO taboo that the viewer thinks they actually shouldn’t.
I think a subset of people like it, and the rest tolerate it. So, if you label every porn video as step-someone with step-other, you serve both audiences.
What I have a hard time wrapping my head around are scenarios where step-dad, step-mom, step-sis, and step-bro are all going at it in the same scene. Under what circumstances do these four people live together?
it’s porn. it’s not supposed to make any sense anymore than Marvel movies are. it’s fantasy
I think I understand what you’re saying. I hadn’t considered that the steps may be from different multiverses.
It’s easy marketing. Convenient situation, taboo, but not too taboo. The line always seems to be “but you’re my stepsister” “yeah, STEPsister, not real”. So it’s wrong, but not that wrong. The multiple people scenario is just ramping the taboo up, but not worrying about relationships after the video. Real polygamy is complicated and probably not as successful as porn depicts it. (and that’s ignoring the step situation altogether)
I say probably only because I’m sure there are some out there that work. But to have three or more people in a long-term working relationship without costs has to be rare. Just having something like a work relationship between a few people can be touchy, and that’s without feelings and sex involved.
Yeah, that just sounds like regular porn but with extra steps.
That’s my understanding of why it’s so common too.
Though I suppose there’s some reason for concern, if you’re really opposed to the concept of it. I view it sorta on the same spectrum as things like ‘facials’ and how wildly popular those have seemingly become – a filming norm from a long time ago that mostly aimed to show/prove that the guy had cum, turns into something people do regularly because they’d seen it so much in porn. Same for things like anal, or many of the more mainstream fetishes/content – it becomes largely normalized by its prevalence in porn.
Sorta like how that Dingus guy, Mayor in Ohio, got caught sniffing his step daughters panties. Dude prolly thought it’d be the start of a raunchy good time, where she catches him and then admits her lust for his old flabby limp dick dad bod.
The problem there isn’t the porn, it’s morons thinking porn is representing reality.
Representation matters, even in fantasy. Just ask Disney, JK Rowling, right leaning “It’s ok to be white!” advocates and left leaning “More brown Mermaids!” progressives. Though they may disagree on who should get represented, all parties involved generally agree that representation seems to matter a whole lot. To say that it doesn’t, only in the realm of (generally) cis men, would seem to me like discriminating against men – not allowing them the same social courtesy/context for forgiveness as women and other groups.
What the fuck are you talking about? What does this have to do with pornography?
Ok, an ELI5 for you since you seem to need it:
Human beings on aggregate are dumb monkeys. When human see media depicting dumb monkeys doing something, many humans are inclined to try doing same thing.
Slightly less ELI5 – groups that advocate for things like representation of minorities in media, typically argue that negative representations of ethnic minorities results in increased racism in the general public towards those minorities, as well as the internalisation of those negative stereotypes by minorities. If, for example, black people are only ever shown in media as being gangsters and drug dealers, more black people will lean into that sort of marginalized/negative ‘professions’, and non-black people will have an inherent bias against them due to the prevalence of the stereotype. If they’re shown images/media that shows black people in positions like doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc, then more black people will aspire to emulate those images / move into those fields, and other people will be more accepting/less prejudice against them in those positions. Similarly, if men are shown a ton of step-incest porn, or porn that depicts violence towards partners, they’re more inclined to do those things. Step-incest is generally a huge negative outside of the fantasy realm, as things like a step dad + step daughter is pretty damn close to rape in many situations. Sorta like landlord porn – these things are not ok, but they get normalised through porn and then re-enacted by dumb monkeys like that idiot Ohio mayor or the dude on the cruise line who sexually assaulted and killed his step sister.
The significance of representation in media is basically an established concept. Left-wing sorts want more diverse representation because it leads to more equitable perspectives in the broader community – Right-leaning sorts often argue against more diverse representation as it chips away at what they consider ‘social norms’. Neither side argues that representation doesn’t matter, but rather, about who should be represented.
To pretend like this sort of thing doesn’t also impact porn, and/or to say that men are just idiots if they emulate things they see in porn, is to go against the idea that media representation matters, and to turn a blind eye to the stats that show these things DO impact dumb monkey behaviours. And to ignore this aspect of media, just in the case of men’s sexual urges/porn, is to do so in a way that disadvantages just men, placing all accountability onto the individual man, absolving the system/norms that have facilitated those negative activities/actions. When black people in the 80s were depicted as stereotypes, it was part of what’s generally termed systemic racism, which fed into a cycle of black people embracing those stereotypical professions. We don’t tend to hold individuals solely accountable for issues stemming from systemic wrongs. So why would we put all the blame on men, in cases when they’ve been shown step-incest porn, for emulating the tropes they’ve been taught in step-incest porn?
Besides, porn writers have just been lazy as shit in over-using that trope. You’ve got sites just reshooting the same boring tired-ass scenes with different shitty actors going through the motions, and hitting pretty much all the same poses and dialogue check boxes. Demand better from your pornographers. Hell, if pornographers were to routinely show more realistic pickups / ways to meet women outside of just “I live with you because we’re sorta related, oops my dick slipped in!”, maybe there wouldn’t be so many incel boys who can’t figure out how to approach women.
Hard disagree. People are responsible for there actions. Not the media they consume. We live in the real world with a multitude of influences to teach us how to act right. Media is fantasy, you can derive inspiration from it but it’s not a guideline for behavior. Literally talking to a single individual woman should be sufficient to show a rational individual that pornography is not depicting real scenarios. Millions of people are watching this shit and there’s a handful who are a problem and is there actually even a direct link between their actions and having viewed this shit? People have been sexually assaulting their children and subordinates for as long as there have been people. Assholes are always going to be assholes.
It’s also probably relatable to a significant portion of the audience. I wager a fair number of people have experienced a relationship or wanted a relationship stemming from that situation.
Through no choice of yours or theirs, suddenly you are spending a lot of time with someone. From some perspective ‘relatives’, but pratically speaking you have a stranger who is your age move in and you are both 15 to 17 and things happen.
I had a not-blood relation suddenly happen when we were both sixteen, and we ended up dating for a bit. A bit more removed than ‘siblings’, but close enough to spend a lot of time together.
I’m sure that’s partly true. In my experience, that’s just most of what’s tagged as “reality”, so any other situation with anything resembling a storyline takes digging. No wonder I couldn’t get into it.
They’re not just making it though. They’re renaming all the porn to have incest titles, whether they have anything to actually do with incest or not, it gets more clicks.
The headline makes it sound like they banned the whole step porn genre, which seemed super ridiculous to me too.
Buried in the article is says:
…possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime
You guys in the UK better burn any copies of Game of Thrones you might have around. The show wasn’t that good as to be worth the jail time.
On a side note, is the UK alright?
No, the UK is not alright. They’ve been banning a lot of stuff lately. And I mean a lot. It’s comparable to even the Deep South of the US, and that’s hardly an exaggeration. The worst part is that most of it seems to truly be a bipartisan effort.
It’s “bipartisan” because we live in capitalist dictatorships, and the fascist oligarchy have given their marching orders to the politicians they own.
Ingsoc is already here.
the Deep South of the US
You can just say US at this point lol
That’s just bollocks mate. What have we banned? Porn needs ID, yes that’s puritanical, but nothing a VPN can’t sort. We are NOTHING like the deep south.
Banning the step-sibling porn is weird AF, granted, but beyond poorly conceived and weirdly puritanical porn rules, I’d much rather have Keir in charge than that decaying, semi-literate lunatic half the US inexplicably worship.
The concept of privacy on the internet for one thing. VPNs as well, or perhaps that was only an attempt. ID verification to go to Wikipedia is an interesting idea, that, funnily enough, I can’t say that even Alabama has done.
I remember reading a while ago that, because you can’t have full incest in porn, the Game of Thrones porn parody (or, at least, one of them) was LESS explicit than the show.
And no. No we’re not. I doubt many places are.
Wait… Are you implying that incest is actually banned in porn, and that’s why it’s always step-relations? I thought it was just because the majority are disgusted by incest… I don’t think actual incest is even illegal in most places…
I decided to look it up, just to be sure. Specifics vary based on where you are, but depicting anything too extreme is generally gonna be illegal. Even if it’s legal in the bedroom, it’s not necessarily legal in porn.
Heck, I’m British, and the age of consent is 16. It’s 18 in porn, though.
No, the UK is not alright. They are worse off than the US, less the blowhard leadership. As of yet.
That’s just because the favored style for populists in the UK is “posh twat” rather than “loud blowhard”, making them a lot harder to spot unless you’re familiar with British (especially English) culture.
Ha ha, I see those motherfuckers, or magna carta fuckers as the case may be, how do we make the voter see it?
They are worse off than the US
No one here is building concentration camps or deporting natural born citizens lol, but keep telling yourself that.
dont forget BREXIT, they seem to be slow-walking to fix that relationship with the EU.
Absolute nonsense. I dislike our government but all the other alternatives would shift us further right. I’m not a fan of Keir, but he’s pushed back on Trump’s mad war and, in terms of policy, Labour is the UKs most liberal mainstream party.
I mean GoT is horrible garbage, but that’s independent from this article.
Game of Thrones was awesome, the last season was garbage I will give you that.
Fucking Martin, still waiting on winds of winter, that fat fucker is going to keel over before he finishes it. He’s not even trying.
Yeah because showing kids being raped as a love story is amazing.
wtf are you on about? You cancelled game of thrones? No one told me, and I will not go along by the way, this is why everyone hates us, you.
Yeah… ask the Lannisters… and I’ll leave it at that.
Edgy!
Just another moral panic to allow the Government to continue to lay the ground work to take away rights.
The only porn allowed in 10 years will be of people getting fucked by the government
This needs to be a T-shirt.
What are you doing in my room, step-MP?
Haha no. Government will ban that as well
A country with what remains of a monarchy banning any kind of incest porn is just… wow…
Irony has been institutionalized.
Oi bruv where’s yer wanking loicense?!
Not yer bruv, mate - I’m yer step-bruv! Fancy a shag?
What are you doing, step-bruv?!
This is against the law, y’all. :(
The role of the government is not to decide what is abhorrent and what isn’t. The role of the government is to ensure protection of human rights, provide healthcare, run schools, build infrastructure and so on.
Consenting horny adults being horny with each other and doing horny stuff to each other does not violate any human rights.
The British government can go fuck itself.
The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.
This reads like its only banned if someone also pretends to be under 18?
IDK but I thought porn depicting minors was generally banned in most countries?
don’t know if porn depicting an adult pretending to be a minor actually qualifies, but that feels like an extremely thorny topic.
Eventually a line needs to be drawn. I think that publishing porn of any sort that flirts with cp is not acceptable, step or not. Same for loli anime content or the whole doll bullshit : if it looks like a kid just don’t.
All the rest if fine as long as it’s consensual.
“Depicting” a minor means giving the impression of a minor.
So here in Australia I think even say hentai depicting a person viewing is likely to conclude is a minor, would be illegal.
This is the sort of stupid shit you get when you vote for right wing whack-a-doos.
Sad thing, that was supposed to be the left wing party. Corbyn was an open socialist.
but they had a huge antisemitic campaign that ousted him for his support of Palestine and turned the Labor into a clone of the Tories.
Somehow, Israel is always to blame.
Israel is the bleeding edge of colonialism in our modern era. So almost every fucked up situation circles back to them evetually
the most annoying part is that Israel took all the antisemitic conspiracy theories and made them real for Zionists, then ensure all the world blames the jews. They are the leading source of modern antisemitism. like even the most deranged antisemitic concepts like blood libel was made true by organ stealing (Knesset admitted it in 2006)
Yeah, im ethnically jewish as well as romani and indigenous to turtle island. Im all too familiar with the games this empire plays and the damage it causes. I pass as white, so i also hear some of the most fucked up racist things from people who think im one of them.
Jewish here too. and Zionism is and always has been antisemitic
Fr has done more harm to the jewish diaspora than nearly anything else in modern history
they literally helped Nazi circumvent boycotts. the end result is that zionists fled and bundists were genocided.
Zionism hurting jews isn’t an understatement.
all the world blames the jews.
Don’t think so little of your fellow man.
Stupid people who already have antisemitic tendencies might go full mask off, but most can make the distinction.
I violently hate zionists but never will I hate jews.
I don’t even consider zionists jews, they have lost that right.
These guys were in a square a street from where I live, how can you not love them?
There is no left wing, anymore.
I mean looks at Carney in Canada…
Here in the US you have AOC and Bernie both supporting Israel during an active genocide. Not really in-line with their alleged allegiances, is it?
in the UK, the greens are likely to win next elections, and they are proper left. like anti Israel left
Would be nice, I think I might be able to flee there, having Iceland be the best bet isn’t so good with how expensive it is and how little opportunity is there.
The most interesting thing about this is the fact that step siblings can have legal relationships and even marry under UK law, but depictions of their very legal sex lives are now illegal.
I think someone might challenge this as a human right to expression infringement.
For instance, you and your partner happen to be step siblings, but want to generate income on onlyfans. Now you can’t. Not because you are defacto doing anything illegal.
Also, and here’s where it gets fun…
Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.
The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.
Where does the law stand there? No one knows.
Where does the law stand there? No one knows.
Be even worse in a few years when the paltry votes they scrounged up with this move are long forgotten and the law continues to punish and hurt people for literally no justifiable reason.
I guarantee we are but months away from a senior labour politician resigning because they are found to have incest porn on one of their devices.
I’m literally saving this comment lol
Well how could it not be? Genetically it’s just two random people, what would be the basis of making it illegal if at some point your parents hit off?
The basis to make it illegal is antiquated views of old white men how other people should live their lives according to how they see fit. Nothing more
Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.
The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.
This is essentially my understanding of the origin of the trope. When I was growing up, both me and every single kid I knew’s parents were already or in the process of either getting a divorce or remarrying.
So situations like Clueless and Drake & Josh were the norm, and it makes the trope all the more hilarious.
Ah thus is about the porn nobody is actually a step sibling.
Teenagers having sex is legal, sharing pictures of it is not.
A person presumed to possess the legal capacity for consent cannot have sex with a person presumed to lack that legal capacity. The teenager is not restricted; the adult is restricted.
When a camera is added, the law becomes inconsistent. The minor lacks the capacity to legally engage in sex, but is now (potentially) culpable in their own exploitation if they video themselves.
