The only good fascist is a very dead fascist.
I was thinking that another exception would be those who open their eyes and leave it behind, but then they are no longer fascists. So you could say their old fascist self is essentially dead too.
So while I do prefer this method as some ex-fascists may turn into anti-fascist advocates, and we can always use more help against fascism, it still doesn’t really counter the adage.
I agree that people can (and hopefully do) change their mindset in regards to fascism. Those that do may turn out as you mentioned, advocating against it.
I just don’t have faith anymore in that happening anytime soon (although I really hope people see what’s going on and change it).
Also my original message is a title of a song by Propaghandi. I would recommend it if you’re into more hardcore-esque punk.
I’m still hoping and doing what little I can in the meantime.
fuck that. I wish harm on fascists. lots of it. so much harm that other fascists are scared to even be associated with the word.
That’s step two or three, for sure. But the point being made is fascist isn’t a word that can be applied to anyone and everyone (setting aside the 2¢ insult version) - it is a specific political ideology that one earns by their words and actions.
Unfortunately it is also complex to diagnose, particularly in early stages, especially as intelligent budding fascists will deliberately evade the formal definitions while still finding ways to accomplish similar effects.
But yes - there’s also cases where fascists clearly and obviously are doing fascist things, and need to be stopped immediately, please feel free to give them a proper knuckle sandwich (or an appropriate grade of violence as the situation warrants)
Sir that is Cody’s Showdy and he is a srs journalist not a shitposter
We sit at the feet of Warmbo, he shall bless us with his corn cream…
Corned cream. It’s cream that goes through a Corning process. The cream itself is not corn based.
This was a very good episode.
Generally, the people who claim the meaning has changed or been watered down are fascists or their sympathizers or prescriptivists that fail to understand how language evolves. Watch them come out of the woodwork to explain how nobody is a nazi because the National Socialist party doesn’t exist anymore. Buncha stupid fucking bastards.
They’re not literally gassing people, so they can’t be nazis. It’s only after the fact we get to ask who could have seen this coming.
You know, like they practice with school shootings every day. Desensitization is a big part.
A dead giveaway is when they start throwing around the word ‘nuance.’
It must be in the script they’re all taught, because every closet fascist or astroturfer loves defending fascist policies and actions with “nuance.”
“Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance”
-Albert Maysles
Oh spare me. We’re talking about people supporting white supremacy as “nuanced” policy.
I won’t spare you, but you feel free to keep talking about whatever you want
Correct.
Fascism has always included people who call transwomen men. That’s nothing new.
But it has been watered down. Its been watered down by all the culture war weirdos who claim everyone who doesnt agree with them, is a nazi and fascist. And its not just the left aiming at the right, its fucking everyone. Dont like video game? You must be a fascist. Dont like a movie? You must be a nazi!
Its like “paedo”. That one lost all meaning as well. Even going so far as to label dating 25 year olds “paedo behaviour”. Social media, if it does nothing else, totally ruins the meaning of words in favour of gaining worthless internet up arrows by saying popular thing over and over and over and over again.
For the first: those are just idiots being idiots. The word isn’t watered down by idiots usage. The word still means the same things. It just means the population around you that believes this is fascist adjacent and an idiot.
Again hard disagree. It still means diddling kids. There just more idiots around and are more vocal.
Well it’s like the word racist, it still has its connotation, but since it’s been overused so much it loses a lot of the impact that word originally had.
The other thing watering it down does is make it easier for actual racists, fascists or paedos to be more open about it and openly embrace it. After all, if an entire group is calling you a racist for multiple years, why not embrace that term?
Sounds like you acTquiescing to being an idiot too. Which just makes you an idiot lmao.
People choosing not to believe DJT is not a Paedo is not me watering the word down. It’s those people being idiots. I can call Elon a Nazi because he did a Nazi salute, twice on national TV. Again anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
You’re basically making these blanket statements and accusing people of stuff with no proof. Elon is right wing, and trump is a creep, but he’s not a paedo.
A word is watered down when it is used to describe anything and everything. And in case you missed it, we are surrounded by idiots being idiots and doing just that.
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Just be more careful than Santa. He only checks his list twice cause the worst punishment he gives is a lump of coal. The guillotine is a lot more absolute in its punishment.
Watched this yesterday and “Charles Entertainment Kirk” fucking murdered me
Got a link? I don’t know who this is but my curiosity is piqued.
The post includes a link to the very video, but here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3rSA4FSqk
It’s a very good analysis of political violence in the US. Cody Showdy generally does great work discussing not just the news, but the olds too. Fair and Balanced™©® and all that.
Thanks, for some reason when I was looking at post earlier it was just the screenshot, no link. Maybe it didn’t load properly, happened to me sometimes with Lemmy.
But I do wish harm on fascists…
Although by some coincidence, the people we call fascist tend to spend alot of their time wishing alot of harm on all sorts of people they hate.
Am I becoming fascist?
Do other ethnic groups fill you with a mix of fear and hatred? Are you more comfortable being told what to do and think? Do you idolize the Military? Does “the enemy” seem both weak and strong to you?
Don’t forget the biggest indicator of a fascist:
“Are you not willing to call trans people what they want you to call them?”
Trans people are one of the easy out groups to vilify though that’s not exclusive to fascism
If you look like a fascist and talk like a fascist and act like a fascist you are probably a freaking fascist and that’s the way people are going to deal with you until you give them evidence to the contrary.
https://youtu.be/nD3rSA4FSqk?t=4982
“What is it that you want people to do when you call them fascists?”
We want you to stop being fascists, you blithering idiot!
MAGAts = Neo-Nazis + Fascists.
I do not want to be seen as defending fascists or being obscurantist but I regularly encounter normal people who literally never learned how to identify a fascist. To them, it vaguely means authoritarian and imperialistic and deploying it in conversations within an american context seems unnecessarily inflammatory. The average person has neither the time nor the inclination be as plugged into politics as we are. Words actually do mean things…just different things to different people.
THIS. I don’t install social networking apps on my phone (except for Voyager, somewhat recently, if that counts). I tend to find these conversations somewhat hard to follow, because it seems like different people use different versions of the same word… Or maybe the definitions evolve too quickly for those who don’t follow it very closely. Idk, I haven’t really narrowed it down yet.
But yeah… I honestly don’t really know how to identify a fascist. I think it has something to do with right-wing authoritarianism, but I’m not sure I’ve personally met any right-wing authoritarians, so I’m probably missing something.
And yes, I have attempted to look it up. The results were not very helpful. I assume it’s similar to looking up what Nazis were – quite different from how people use the word now.
Thank you for understanding “normal people.” 🙈
Ppl are constantly glued to their phones. They’re just lazy or have their head in the sand if they don’t pay attention to politics.
Have you seen people’s algorithmic bubbles? The corporations that control these algorithms do not want to increase access to accurate and helpful information. Blaming millions of people instead of the systems that keep them oppressed is morally questionable, strategically ineffective, and psychologically isolating.
Well considering there’s plenty of documentaries, case studies, and articles written about how poisonous social media and algorithms are i dont have much sympathy for those who don’t look into it when we live in an age were information on EVERYTHING EVER WRITTEN DOWN is freely avaliable. Im not going to feel sorry because ppl rather look at cat videos and follow influencers instead of reading an article that tells them without a doubt how fucked up social media is.
It’s no different when ppl complained about tv being and idiot box. Just because YOU will watch the Bachelor or Real Housewives instead of Frontline or 60 minutes doesnt mean the medium makes everyone stupid. At a certain point it becomes YOUR responsibility to be an informed citizen.
If your heart is set on finding reasons to hate everyone else, you are always going to find them but successful political movements are built on solidarity and compassion.
Solidarity with who? The part of the country that voted in that facist who dont even recognize reality. I’m not going to feel sorry for a bunch of white folks and latinos who basically voted for him because brown and gay ppl were starting to get treated better. I have no compassion for bigots.
As for democrats and liberal white America they’ve constantly dropped the ball on solidarity with minorities. If its not obvious im a black dude. Black America has had PLENTY of compassion for others yet theres been practically no solidarity in return. I don’t hate everyone else. I just have absolutely zero faith in America doing the right thing. For fuck sake hippies we’re preaching peace, love, fighting for civil rights then moved to the suburbs and voted for Reagan.
I hear you but unless you already have a bullet proof political movement (the left does not), then you need to find it in your heart to look at the deplorables and find commonalities and build on them. This is the real benefit of class solidarity and economic essentialism. Our identitarian differences can be used against a movement to divide it, but we are all workers under capitalism. We all have bills. We all need to put food on the table. And yeah, securing labor rights, housing, and healthcare will not solve racism, sexism, and other bigotries BUT it will be much easier to advocate for social justice issues if people arent just fighting for survival.
The people you are angry with deserve your ire, but they are as much a product of their environments and circumstances as everyone else. Barring the rapture, they arent going anywhere so our political solutions need to include these people. There simply is not enough political power in everyone else to overturn their political relevance.
Why are you guys always telling this to brown ppl? Brown ppl didnt keep white ppl out of their unions, out of their neighborhoods, or denied them a good education. The main issue with class solidarity is trying to convince white ppl that brown and lgbtq ppl deserve the same standard of living as they do.
They don’t mean anything anymore… Seen people on here calling everything from Joe Biden to Buffalo wild wings fascist… (real encounters)
Joe biden authored the patriot act.
You know, I thought you were wrong. I looked it up was ready to site sources, watched that video and I really dont know what to think anymore.
You should think about what Liberalism actually is and see if you agree with any of it
I agree with Wikipedias definition but the US still needs more than 2 parties
The Wikipedia page for neoliberalism has more thorough real-world context for liberalism as it is applied today.
Ok I’ll take a look thank you
Well, technically Biden only authored the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, not the patriot act. But the proposals in his bill were recycled into the patriot act.
Then technology made it worse.
One can argue that the patriot act is fascistic legislation.
Yes. That is what i was implying.
Authoritarianism ≠ Fascism
Fascism ∈ Authoritarianism
The same thing happened to terrorist, a term that became overused and dead during the IWoT and yet the Trump regime is still trying to leverage that word against his political enemies.
For my own arguments, I use alternatives to fascist or get specific, such as calling it an autocratic regime that uses fascist rhetoric to justify state violence. That way my readers know I’m talking seriously about a serious thing.
It’s why I always ask for specifics or ignore what the average person on these forums has to say.
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